13-04-2004 19:31									#1
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Isn't it nice to remove all of the negative effects of the future society options? Apperantly the future societies are a result of improved technology which was discovered by humans. That indicates that humans should desing and adapt it advantageous towards the society. Like when an engineer designs a car. He would try to find a special case that optimizes the benefits and minimizes the flaws.

	13-04-2004 19:52									#2
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Future Social enginerings are alredy ver nice, they each have 3 areas of Bosting and only 1 penalty vs 2:1 for all earlier game Socials (and less for FM). Their quite good already and I think the negatives are logical, fair and help to solidify your play style in the End game. Only think I would switch is the Planet rating over to Eudiamonic.

Also by aplying a -1 Growth to None Future you can make Pop Booming impossible without a Golden Age for all factions pre Future Society which I think is a good idea.

	14-04-2004 03:47									#3
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It would also mean that running green would be useless as it'd cease growth altogether.

	14-04-2004 03:57									#4
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Unless you also ran Democracy...

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	14-04-2004 07:08									#5
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Actualy (and not suprisingly) the -3 Growth causing zero population growth is incorrect, it just gives you more Nuts per row, try it out and you will see.

	14-04-2004 12:38									#6
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But bases still don't grow, so the effect is the same.

	14-04-2004 12:57									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Impaler[WrG] Future Social enginerings are alredy ver nice, they each have 3 areas of Bosting and only 1 penalty vs 2:1 for all earlier game Socials (and less for FM). Their quite good already and I think the negatives are logical, fair and help to solidify your play style in the End game. Only think I would switch is the Planet rating over to Eudiamonic.

Also, you can remove the negative modifiers for two of the three Future Society choices by building Secret Projects (The Cloning Vats: removes negatives from Thought Control (and 'Power' Values); The Network Backbone: removes negatives from Cybernetic); only poor old Eudaimonic can't lose its negative modifiers (although I am thinking that I might give the Free Drones IMPUGNITY EUDAIMONIC, to represent their "revolutionary zeal" ).

	14-04-2004 13:02									#8
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Maybe Telepathic Matrix should have removed the negative effects of Eudamonic.

	14-04-2004 13:04									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Patashu Maybe Telepathic Matrix should have removed the negative effects of Eudamonic.

Not a bad idea. I'm happy to have the Free Drones as my only "vigorous" Eudaimonists though.

	14-04-2004 21:15									#10
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I wonder is there any way to allow other techs to remove bad effects of SE choices? It seems to me too bad that only one faction can get the impunity model for the Future SE types.

	14-04-2004 21:28									#11
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IMO Eudaimonia with +2 Eco and +2 Ind is overpowered even when it has -2 Morale and the other Future choices have no penalty, so I'm not mourning there's no SP to remove Eudai's penalty.

	15-04-2004 06:18									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac IMO Eudaimonia with +2 Eco and +2 Ind is overpowered even when it has -2 Morale and the other Future choices have no penalty, so I'm not mourning there's no SP to remove Eudai's penalty.

You may have a point there... my main impetus for giving the Free Drones impugnity is that in the scenario I am fiddling with they are running Fundamentalist Politics (to represent a "faithlike" commitment to revolutionary socialism).

	15-04-2004 06:23									#13
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That's why you should always run Police State/Planned/Power/Thought Control.

No negatives at all!

"Teach those Drones a lesson!"

	15-04-2004 06:40									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan That's why you should always run Police State/Planned/Power/Thought Control. No negatives at all! "Teach those Drones a lesson!"

The Human Hive is the principle antagonist of the Free Drones in this scenario... you have read the timeline, right?

	15-04-2004 06:43									#15
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Of course! But I was just subtly trying to hint that the Drones should just give up their fight and join the Human Hive...or at least run Human Hive policies.