11-06-2004 05:04									#241
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Is there anything crucial in Flameflash's forum? Should I sign up, or can I wait until we get an Angels subforum here?

	11-06-2004 12:31									#242
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No need to signup directly. Sofar just some preliminary discussion about tactics and roles, that's all.

	11-06-2004 23:45									#243
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Well as soon as we decide the mods for all private forum, we can then ask Markos to open them for us, which shouldn't be long.

	12-06-2004 10:45									#244
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Sounds good. And yes, no real need to sign up in the off-site forum now, though I did just send Furst the URL... if anybody else (foolish, mellian) wants to just look through the old stuff there feel free to PM me and I'll authorize you.

	12-06-2004 23:07									#245
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This is a nice manageable size of faction.

	13-06-2004 23:48									#246
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Couldn't agree more, Herc.

	14-06-2004 00:03									#247
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One might call it rather exclusive...

	14-06-2004 05:44									#248
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Does this mean you won't be accepting new members? I hope not.

I was on the fence for a week, but now that I'm decided I'd like to officially petition for membership in the Data Angels faction. My credentials will show up shortly in your faction datalinks.

	14-06-2004 06:10									#249
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AdamTG02: Not at all. where have you been of late. You'd be very welcome to the Data Angels. Great to have you on board.

	14-06-2004 06:54									#250
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After the University team dried up, I rarely came to Apolyton. I checked back in recently, and saw a new ACDG was starting, so I figured now'd be an excellent time to return. Took me a while to decide on a faction, though...

	16-06-2004 08:18									#251
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Hopefully not too long...

	16-06-2004 20:58									#252
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Comments on the 'While we are waiting' turn made in the Angel private forum...

	19-06-2004 23:01									#253
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It seems that there has been no consensus on what to do about the probe rating bug. The closest we seem to have come is to leave it be, and have a rule that we cannot be probed when we reach to appropriate level, yes?

	19-06-2004 23:14									#254
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quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus It seems that there has been no consensus on what to do about the probe rating bug. The closest we seem to have come is to leave it be, and have a rule that we cannot be probed when we reach to appropriate level, yes?

that seems to be it

	20-06-2004 02:48									#255
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Not quite cannot be probed, but merely cannot be bought. Your techs can still be probed away as Miriams can at +3 probe.

	20-06-2004 03:04									#256
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Yes, but the changes of success would be much greater since there is no effective +4 probe rate. Perhaps at a +3 probe rate techs can still be stolen, drones induced, plagues seeded and so, but a +4 probe rate is IMHO equal as the HSA.

	20-06-2004 14:14									#257
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No I won't play like that. A positive probe rating doesn't decrease success rate in probe actions. A negative one increases the success rate but not the other way round. Techs can still be probed away, drones induced, plagues introduced etc at exactly the same success rate.

Your bases and units though would be immune to subversion.

	20-06-2004 15:45									#258
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Well as the new game approaches we need to resolve this one.

	20-06-2004 17:44									#259
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Thus in your proposal the Angels need to accept that plagues, infiltration, drones etc... will be an easy task, with the penalty added that defensive probe teams won't be as effective against an probe attack from another faction as well?

Basically this is forcing the Angel faction in never choosing a SE setting that has +4 probe, as there are open back doors of using it against the faction.

	20-06-2004 18:01									#260
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quote: with the penalty added that defensive probe teams won't be as effective against an probe attack from another faction as well?

My tests showed that +3 and +4 SE probe teams both have +3 probe team morale as they should have. So the only problem lies with the lack of mind control immunity.

	20-06-2004 18:02									#261
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Thus in your proposal the Angels need to accept that plagues, infiltration, drones etc... will be an easy task, with the penalty added that defensive probe teams won't be as effective against an probe attack from another faction as well? Basically this is forcing the Angel faction in never choosing a SE setting that has +4 probe, as there are open back doors of using it against the faction.

This is not the case because +4 probe gives the angels probes an added morale bonus. They are not ineffective, and as far as probe team morale goes, they are still better at +4 probe than +2.

It doesn't disadvantage your faction, nor does it give more benefit than is necessary. Nor does it force you to avoid +4 probe.

	20-06-2004 18:26									#262
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In case your remarks are correct that still keeps the vulnerability of not probe-defended bases in question. It is not like that a faction with a lower probe rating will have a significantly less change of success of probing a +4 protected base. IIRC that was the core of the bug, yes?

	20-06-2004 18:32									#263
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The bug is that at +3 probe the game should make units and bases unsubvertable. They should be unbuyable by probe teams without algorithmic enhancement. This doesn't work and is the bug.

+4 probe for purposes of buying units and bases acts like +0 probe. However, it is AFAIK only the buying cost of bases and units that is affected by a postive probe rating. The chance of success is not changed regardless of positive probe amount (A negetive probe rating will increase the chance of success, but a postive rating has no effect on chance of success).

So bases that are undefended by probes are equally well protected by +4 probe as +2 probe as +0 probe with regard to infiltrating data links etc.

	20-06-2004 18:43									#264
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No less chance of success for a faction then to infiltrate, steal energy, induce drones, introduce genetic plague and sortlike probe actions even at +4 probe? What is the purpose of having a high probe rate then except for protection against mindcontrolling? Ok, need some more input from the other hackers' at this point...

	22-06-2004 10:48									#265
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We are discussing who should be Data Angels Forum moderator in our own private forum.

Those who have signed up to join the DA's, please pop in to register an opinion.

	23-06-2004 00:00									#266
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	24-06-2004 09:59									#267
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* Enigma_Nova expresses intent to join the Data Angels
I understand you have a private forum for authorisation.
Where is it?

After a spectacular boot from the Gaians and the Spartans, this is the next logical choice.

It is stupid to have something against me, but people don't have to be logical to play in the ACDG.

	24-06-2004 19:11									#268
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You know why they didn't want you Enigma.

	24-06-2004 20:43									#269
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Ah hell, it's shamefull if one of the mods must be the first to respond on an application. It's an issue in the Angel forum, Enigma.

	25-06-2004 11:36									#270
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It's shaping up like we'll have private forums at 'poly again, and from the votes in the private forum it's looking like Herc is going to be the moderator again.

As far as the Enigma matter, it's too early to tell, though it looks in the affirmative with a hold until we get private forums locally at 'poly.