19-04-2004 22:59									#151
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I was planning for that, actually.

1. Defend early rush, weakening rushers.
2. Build it up, harassing the weaker.
3. Backstab your building rival.
4. Outvote the weakened survivors.

If I could pick my diplomacy like I could change clothes, I'd go:
1. Gaians//Spartans vs. Angels//Morgan
2. Gaians//Morgan vs. Angels//Spartans
3. Gaians//Angels vs. Morgan//Spartans
4. Gaians vs. Angels

But it's rarely so easy.
So, at the start, I pick Angels.
That way Morgan and I don't get rovered and probed,
and I'm not stuck building with Santi,
and I have a decent chance of outbuilding you or winning a war against you later.

	19-04-2004 23:04									#152
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Longterm plans are all very nice and well, but they rarely stand the test of time. Most likely you'll just be forced to cooperate with whoever meets you first, if you want to keep up with everyone else.

	19-04-2004 23:17									#153
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Quite correct, Maniac, but it's possible to have two factions arrange to meet each-other.
Spartans will probably be the first to meet anyone with her Doc:Flex.
Depending on who Spartans meet, I will choose my tactic.

If Spartans meet Gaians, I'll use their ships to collect IoDs and crush you all early.
If Spartans meet Morgan, We'll out-expand them for a win in the midgame.
If Spartans meet Angels, Morgan and I are building it up, and staving you off until we win in the late game.
If Sparta sits on their ass, I'll take over an AI early with worms, and use the territorial advantage to win.

So basically...
I win. It's just a matter of timing.

	19-04-2004 23:27									#154
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Unless Angels decide to accept a contract for probe raping Gaians Ahum, peace, love and understanding please...

	19-04-2004 23:50									#155
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We will never conquer you cruelly.
There will be lots of free love, dancing naked and xenorum at every base takeover.

	19-04-2004 23:59									#156
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Ah yes, a prime opportunity to mind control your troops meanwhile...

	20-04-2004 00:23									#157
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Please ingore Enigma`s posts. He is delusional and this is not official opinion of Gaian Republic.

	20-04-2004 00:41									#158
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Data Angels Forum Private Forum has now been set up. Please be sure that you currently don't have permission to read the actual forum so I can get the bugs worked out of that system.

	20-04-2004 00:44									#159
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Oh... and post here with the e-mail address you're using too (or PM... just extra security)... surrounding it with 'xxxemail@whatever.comxxx' is good if you don't want your address sniffed.

	20-04-2004 00:47									#160
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I got an error message saying page is not found. Is this what you mean by not having permission?

My email xxhhu003 at mchsi.comxx

	20-04-2004 00:52									#161
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er... for the first link here or for subsequent links?

	20-04-2004 00:58									#162
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I get to the fill in the memberform page.

O yes, email is xxGeoModder at hotmail dot comxx (without you-know-what letter )

	20-04-2004 00:59									#163
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Ok I was able to access that page. Have created a new account.

	20-04-2004 01:01									#164
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Did you get to actually submit, Geo?

HongHu, which link/button was it that gave you the error?

	20-04-2004 01:05									#165
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The first time I clicked on the link you included here in your post I got the page not found error. But I tried again and was able to get in. So it shouldn't be a problem.

	20-04-2004 01:08									#166
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Just made a new account, then logged in and got into a sort of intropage were I couldn't get further (no other link buttons).

	20-04-2004 21:05									#167
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So should we expect to be able to get in the forum now or should we wait for an authorization notification, FF?

	21-04-2004 02:07									#168
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quote: Upon the discovery of Pre-Sentient Algorithms, the Data Angels get a covert ops centre in each base, increasing their base probe by 2. Added to their intrinsic +2, this gives +4. Problem is, the game doesn't recognise this as +4 - any probe value above +3 is considered 0 by the game.

Anybody knows if we still have this bug in an MP game?

	21-04-2004 02:31									#169
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By all accounts it is still there. Custom and the rules have it that other factions have to acknowledge the DA as having +3 and play accordingly ie don't attaempt to probe.

	21-04-2004 03:46									#170
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Solution seems simple: adjust the intrinsic +2 to +1.

Btw, does the same problem happens when, say, a faction runs fundamentalist, has +1 Probe rating, and builds then a covert ops centre in that base?

	21-04-2004 03:55									#171
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Solution seems simple: adjust the intrinsic +2 to +1.

But then that penalizes the faction before additive facilities get built

quote: Btw, does the same problem happens when, say, a faction runs fundamentalist, has +1 Probe rating, and builds then a covert ops centre in that base?

Yes

	21-04-2004 03:59									#172
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Couldn't we get in there and have the covert ops centres give only a +1 bonus globally?

That would solve the problem, wouldn't it?

	21-04-2004 04:01									#173
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So basically from the moment DA discovers Pré-sentient Algorithms no human played faction is allowed to commence any probe action? Or is infiltration attempt allowed at all times?

quote: Originally posted by Googlie But then that penalizes the faction before additive faciclities get built

Yes, but even when human players honour the noprobing rule, AI factions are still able to probe DA.

	21-04-2004 04:14									#174
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Got into the forum via IE and registered. Now awaiting authorisation.

	21-04-2004 04:15									#175
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder So basically from the moment DA discovers Pré-sentient Algorithms no human played faction is allowed to commence any probe action? Or is infiltration attempt allowed at all times?

Not quite - because SMAX removed the probe immunity concept.

Algorithmic Enhanncement

"In addition, Enhanced Probe Teams can penetrate the interlocks of a unit or base protected by Social Engineering or the HSA. the chance of success is 1/2 what the chance would have been if the target did not possess the HSA or if their probe rating were +3 instead of +4"

So the informal PBEM rule (more like an understanding) is that nornmal probes don't attempt probe action against a +4 probe faction (which almost any faction can become by running Fundy and Thought Control), but those equipped with the AE can

G.

	21-04-2004 04:23									#176
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Ah yes, how could I forgot

Still, I think it is wise for a human played DA faction to incorporate the 'Knowledge' value in it's SE settings when AE probe teams come into the game. At least a prober will have to pay a lot more ec's or has more difficulties achieving it's probe attempt. Better +2 Probe then having to work with an effective zero probe rating.

	21-04-2004 04:28									#177
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Everybody who has applied up to this point has been approved...

	21-04-2004 04:37									#178
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Sent an application, awaiting my mail...

	21-04-2004 06:17									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie So the informal PBEM rule (more like an understanding) is that nornmal probes don't attempt probe action against a +4 probe faction (which almost any faction can become by running Fundy and Thought Control), but those equipped with the AE can G.

Interesting... I had no idea of this PBEM rule.

	21-04-2004 06:19									#180
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Can you still infiltrate a +3 Probe faction, or is really every probe action impossible? +3 Probe factions are rarely encountered, so therefore I don't really know this.