16-08-2000 12:22									#1
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I dug out a couple of old OT threads from the back pages in the last 10 hours and someone deleted them

What is the justification for deleting perfectly legitimate threads with many posts???


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	16-08-2000 15:16									#2
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Are you sure they were deleted, or has just sunk back down to the bottom?

	16-08-2000 17:02									#3
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Definitely deleted. Probably Ming being super net nanny again. One was a really good thread

	16-08-2000 17:09									#4
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I deleted all three of the ones you resurected. When you bring back a thread or two from the ancient past, and actually add something meaningful to it... it's OK.
Plus, I can understand when people have been gone for a period of time, and want to continue discussions that they had started.

But you brought back three old threads that deserved their fate of dropping faster than a rock, and added nothing new to the discussion. All three threads were over a month old. All it did was add three threads on the first page with your name on them.

People have earned vacations in the past for just that activity. I call it spamming!

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	16-08-2000 18:29									#5
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Ming cuts Horse some slack by not giving him a vacation and Horse sooks about it.

Now Ming will be mad at us all , thanks Horse.

	16-08-2000 18:38									#6
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I deleted all three of the ones you resurected.


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I brought back 3 threads, 2 on the English theme, one on fish and chips and the other on the English accent because my post for the day was on an English theme. I found them when I was looking for the thread I wanted, which was on theology.

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When you bring back a thread or two from the ancient past, and actually add something meaningful to it... it's OK.


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That is what I did, in all cases replying to posts from other people.

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Plus, I can understand when people have been gone for a period of time, and want to continue discussions that they had started.


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Well I haven't been around much lately, my children have been sick and I did want to continue the discussion.

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But you brought back three old threads that deserved their fate of dropping faster than a rock, and added nothing new to the discussion.


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That's the trouble with your moderation lately, too many value judgements. Enforce the FAQ, that's your job.

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People have earned vacations in the past for just that activity. I call it spamming!


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Get real Ming, the job has gone to your head. Sadly, you were just breaking my balls as usual these days. You need a rest. Your ideas on what is spam are starting to border on the bizarre.



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	16-08-2000 18:39									#7
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Actually, I didn't really cut him any slack.

When I saw the three threads, I checked ICQ to see if he was on line so that I could warn him that one more such thread would earn him a vacation. When I saw that he wasn't online, and that no more old threads had appeared, I just deleted the three spam threads and waited for him to complain about it here the next time he came on line

He is so predictable

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	16-08-2000 18:49									#8
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He is so predictable


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And so are you - the next thing you'll be accusing me of whining.

Why didn't you send me a private message? I was at work.

And pay no attention to Hydey, we just had a little disagreement in MP. This is his payback. Thanks son.

	16-08-2000 18:56									#9
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AH...
Well, you are whining

As far as you bringing those threads back, you had had plenty of time to continue those discussions in the MONTH that they were dropping like rocks. And, the comments you added were all one liners that added nothing.
All you did was add three threads to the first page with your name attached to them.

And yes, the job of moderating is a matter of judgement and opinion. People have been warned and given vacations in the past for exactly what you were doing. You have been treated no better or no worse. Fair is fair!

And there really was no need to send you a private message, since as expected, you started a thread here to complain like you always do when one of your threads get deleted

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	16-08-2000 19:12									#10
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AH...
Well, you are whining


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see?

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As far as you bringing those threads back, you had had plenty of time to continue those discussions in the MONTH that they were dropping like rocks.


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Firstly, it wasn't anything like a month, the archive that I can access only goes back a week or so. Secondly, I didn't have anything to add until today. I think I explained why I wanted them - the English ones for the theme and the theology one beacuse it was a such a good thread.

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In your opinion, that's the problem. You're not enforcing the faq. Under the guise of alleged spam you are just censoring and enforcing your own tastes.

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All you did was add three threads to the first page with your name attached to them.


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Why would I want to do that?

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And yes, the job of moderating is a matter of judgement and opinion.


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Not the kind of judgements your making.


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And there really was no need to send you a private message, since as expected, you started a thread here to complain like you always do when one of your threads get deleted


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Ho ho ho, if you had contacted me I would have said fair enough, I think I know why you really did it, but I would have said save the theology thread. The loss of that really annoyed me. You left some threads that were less important but deleted that one!!

I'm, going to bed now. So I guess you can have the last word as usual.

	16-08-2000 19:17									#11
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Phew! Means I can go to bed, too. Get up in the morning and catch up on the very latest in the Itchy & Scratchy Hour!

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	16-08-2000 19:28									#12
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"Firstly, it wasn't anything like a month, the archive that I can access only goes back a week or so."

Well, I disagree. The dates of the last post before yours on all those threads were around July 12th.

"Secondly, I didn't have anything to add until today.

You had a month to add to them... are you getting slow in your advancing age

"I think I explained why I wanted them - the English ones for the theme and the theology one beacuse it was a such a good thread."

It was such a good thread that it dropped like a rock and hadn't had a response in over a month.

"In your opinion, that's the problem. You're not enforcing the faq. Under the guise of
alleged spam you are just censoring and enforcing your own tastes"

Now that is your opinion. Every time somebody has done what you did, I have deleted the threads. It's not a matter of taste, or I would have deleted those threads when you first started them.

"Ho ho ho, if you had contacted me I would have said fair enough, I think I know why you
really did it, but I would have said save the theology thread. The loss of that really
annoyed me. You left some threads that were less important but deleted that one!!"

Well, I did check to see if you were on ICQ... when you weren't, I assumed a PM wouldn't work either... my mistake.
And why did I really do it? I think I have answered that question about 3 or 4 times already... just being consistent with past actions. And I deleted all the resurected threads I could find. The less important threads you must be talking about were all recent threads... and there was no reason to delete them.

And as far as getting in the last word, you will be awake again sometime in the future

	16-08-2000 19:38									#13
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You see, when you want to find threads to spam...

First you have to find a thread that you started, it makes it MUCH less obvious. Secondly, don't pick two things with very similar topics. And space it out over about an hour. Better yet, get someone else to join you in "posting" so its MUCH less obvious. By doing all that, you can barely tell that you brought it up for spam.

There goes one of my tricks

Second of all... well, I forgot...

	16-08-2000 23:15									#14
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Hmmmm....I think the theology one could have had the merit to be resurrected (no pun intended).
I didn't realize we weren't allowed to bring back old threads...if there is an interest, let it ride.
I can see how this could be a device in the hands of pointless spammers, though...I don't think Horse really fits that bill. Megalomaniac, yes, puckered sphincter, yes...spammer, no.
Sigh.
I've said it before: Hay es no democracia.
Just start a thread with a similar theme, Horse. Mao does it every 8 hours with the Coffee shop. Now, that's some intellectual stimulation!

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	16-08-2000 23:43									#15
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You misunderstand...
It is ok to bring up old threads. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when multiple old threads are resurrected by the same person in a short time frame for no apparent reason. Yes, the theology thread was not too bad, but the others were simple spam that had fallen like a rock, as they deserved. Whenever a pattern like this begins, I just start deleting, and then warn the person if it continues.

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	17-08-2000 00:26									#16
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Thanks for clearing that up.
Now, why haven't you posted at sandbox?
You'd better start some s*it-talking so we can throw it in your face later!
See, AH, excess was your downfall.


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	17-08-2000 04:44									#17
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Well Ming I think people can see from your own posts on this very thread precisely why your moderation of the OT is becoming a problem (problems we don't have with Mleonard). And since you obviously get your rocks off crusading against what you consider spam (to hell with the faq) in your super net nanny tutu; and since you also so obviously enjoy pressing my buttons by deleting my threads without explanation (your explanation of why you didn't send a warning by private mail is so patently lame), I'm not going to titilate you further by carrying on this infantile argument

It must be such a blessing for you being right all the time

	17-08-2000 05:40									#18
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Yeah, but you'll keep titillating, me, won't ya?

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	17-08-2000 06:38									#19
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My take is if the Horse's threads were bad, they should sink back faster than a rock. If they aren't, people might actually want to continue some sort of serious discussion.

Only if these threads do indeed turn into spam threads do they deserve removal.

Just my $0.02 (local currency )

	17-08-2000 06:49									#20
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The theology thread had over 70 posts, hardly sinking like a stone in my book.

	17-08-2000 17:23									#21
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Yeah... it was such a great thread that nobody had responded in over a month

Well AH, it's all a matter of opinion. You have yours, and I have mine. I will continue to enforce the rules in a consistant manner.

You can throw your insults at me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that what you did is considered spam, and has been for a long while.

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	17-08-2000 18:12									#22
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HA! You know as well as I do that once threads hit about page 3 THEY ALL sink like a stone.

You still haven't adequately explained why you didn't private mail me smart arse.

	17-08-2000 18:24									#23
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If it was such an interesting thread, why did it drop to page 3 in the first place. You had plenty of opportunites to respond to it before it had dropped that low. Now granted, you claim you were busy with your sick children, which is expected... but that didn't stop you from posting to other threads and starting other new ones.

And AH... I'll say it again one more time.

"Well, I did check to see if you were on ICQ... when you weren't, I assumed a PM wouldn't work either... my mistake."

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	17-08-2000 23:29									#24
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On the subject of OT threads, does the PROT still exist?

Mouse

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	18-08-2000 05:09									#25
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Mistake? I accept your apology

*Horse does a huge pungent horse fart into a a large manilla envelope, seals it lovingly with horse slobber, and mails it to Chicago*

	18-08-2000 18:25									#26
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Now this is two threads deleted in half an hour in the OT. I find it a little 'unnecessary'. On one I was trying to give some of my chemistry advice to MWHC, and the other one we were discussing the likelihood of survivors on the Kursk...is there any need for these somewhat 'unnecessary' deletions...

	18-08-2000 18:30									#27
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what a joke... really ming, you're turning into EVC. who's running these forms? you or the whinners?