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Frank Johnson
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Houston, TX
Jan 1970
time: 23:12
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Hey all. Easthaven and I have desided to start a true version of Diplo V to be played on Friday nights (american) or Saturdays. We need Viking, Japanese, and Indian players.
Background:
India - The largest empire in the game in terms of population, production, and technology. They also have serveral of the best wonders, although the Indian Empire is in crisis as they have declared war on Egypt and the might of Egypt's Chinese allies have fallen upon them. Are Indian's advanced technology and defensive preparation enough?
Vikings - The silent nation. Although not a super power, the Vikings bring a considerable set of resources to the table with solid cities in Northern Europe and Russia. The Vikings profess neutrality in all conflicts and isolate themselves, but they may in the end, bag the space race due to the huge war fought by the others.
Japan - A relucant friend of the Indians. Once, due to a combined Chinese and Indian effort they were driven from there orginal home in the Russian Far East to the New World. Unwilling to wage war against the Chinese for the Indians, India trusts in them to deny China victory in space.
Easthaven will be controling the Egpytians and I my Chinese. If you can play on Friday nights or saturdays please sign up.
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KhanMan
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Fort Worth, Texas, USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:12
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I remember reading some other diplomacy tales where people have left, and started their own game. Curumbor E was involved in one of these, I forget how, over a dispute on total war vs. limited war, though I believe that game fell apart.
As for reading back histories, I care not what lead to this historic oportunity, rather, I find it fascinating to think of two, side by side, diplomacy tales, a la alternate worlds...
...or maybe ToT has finally corrupted me with the promise of many worlds 
-KhanMan, honorably of Sayen
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Frank Johnson
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Houston, TX
Jan 1970
time: 23:12
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Maybe I assumed too much, but read my ICQ log.
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Me: Would you play in my fair version of diplo V ?
East: what do u mean?
Me: I mean Diplo V fair version. We'll start before the sub, and Ill get subs for the others. I can easily get 3 Im not a gameleague admin for nothing.
Me :What do you say? It'll be fun, espically if I get DEITY to play India, he a natural at fighting with me.
East: u mean play now? i would love to play that game but i can't now
Me: Not now I still have to get the subs, but Id like you to still play as egypt when we do.
East: sure
Me: Cool, do you want to change the game time to one that is better for you? What times could you play ?
East: i can play on friday nights except this night, and maybe saturday
Me: Ok so Ill say friday nights and saturdays. cool.
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For give me for ASSUMING that Easthaven understood what I said. Apparently he didn't. So the game is off. As for you EC, test my patience no futher. You just can't wait to take another swing at me, maybe if you GOT A LIFE you wouldn't have to worry if I started another version of a game or NOT. I did this thinking that I had EAST's support, so BACK OFF.
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Frank Johnson
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Houston, TX
Jan 1970
time: 23:12
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And for the others, I don't think the turn order is a cheat. I think its cheap as hell right up there with things like incremental buying, city bribing, disbanding units after a bribe, and things of that nature , and I don't think you guys are smart enough to plan it in the first place. It's something that I'd never seen used in a manor that could crash a government in a single turn, so I didn't think of it, but now I think it's something that should be annouced at the start of a game if that is a legimate tactic, since it can crash a government in a single turn with no method of stopping it, or counter attacking an enemy with it. Finbar I never fought with you, so stop being EC's lapdog and shut up.
My main bone to pick is that I played a game for months, building up to one vital turn, and for that turn an uninformed by the last player, EC recruited, prior treaty ignoring sub entered and took my fate completely out of my hands, and the hands of my true ally. Try putting yourself in my shoes before you say oh its so legimate.
In my ICQ logs I told EC that this would be the final battle and that if Easthaven put the dagger in my back I'd resign in defeat....instead I got some sub that EC recruited and he implied that his negoiations were some how deeper in progression to mine, and even implied that East already had agreed to attack me. That was always the core of my case.
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rah
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Apolyton Prince of Moderators, Master of Reason
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Lord of the Ferrets
Jan 1970
time: 23:12
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If I read correctly, The city had already been in rovolt for a turn. So the camping on a good trade square and ending the turn gave Frank no time to reajust the city to avoid a second turn of revolt, hence the fall of the government.
Whether this is a cheat or not is laughable. As Frank stated he had never seen this before and got caught with his pants down, hence sour grapes. Anyone that has a border town that has been in revolt already for a turn better not take a chance and create an extra elvis to make sure of no funny stuff. We've seen a lot of things that a player will do and rush the end of the turn to try and catch the next player unaware. This is a standard strategy and gives you a slight advantage over the next person in the turn sequence, just like the player before you has an edge against you. A cheat, hah. He just got out thought.
Of course Frank's behaviour doesn't surprise me. I've played in only two games with Frank, and in both of them, as soon as something bad happened to him, he disappeared without warning or comment. After the first time I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and say bad connection, even though I had just decimated his attack force and built the Great Wall right before he could. (coincidence) But when it happened the second time I played him, I just decided that he was that type of rude whiner and I would never join a game with him again. He had wasted quite a few peoples time in those two games. So his actions here again fit the pattern.
This thread should have been named Diplo V Frank must win Version, supplicants needed.
RAH
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