21-04-2004 08:42									#1
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Population figures increase way too quickly for my liking. I've been doing some snooping around, and I have discovered that some regions assign each country a population for role-playing purposes (so they don't have nations of 5 million going up against nations of 1 billion, or nations of 2.34 billion going up against nations of 4.0686 billion).

Answer me these questions three:

1) Good idea?

2) Wanna try it?

3) Want me to do it (but not this week because I'm busy)?

	21-04-2004 09:24									#2
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The population figures bug me too, but I'm not sure how assigning them would be any less arbitrary. I say we live with it, and find creative ways to incorporate it into our roleplaying. At any rate, the population figures are no more or less ridiculous than any number of other aspects of the game.

	21-04-2004 10:25									#3
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pop numbers in no way should determine how large a country is or how powerful it is. Otherwise the USA would not be as highly pwerful today as it is. It would languish behind China and India.

Loook to the past and see that many smaller countries have held l;arge empires with much smaller populations than other countries, England, Rome, Dutch, Portugese etc.

Forget trying for more meaningful numbers lets just role paly and have fun

	21-04-2004 11:20									#4
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All right. But I just felt I should mention it.

	21-04-2004 12:37									#5
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Well, my opinion on the subject:

1) If a country wants to make itself less powerful, in any way, for any reason (economically, militarily, etc, including population), they can.

2) Equally, if you want to say that your actual population is smaller but your 'effective' population for economic purposes is higher (i.e. having a very high GDP per capita), this is also fine.

	21-04-2004 19:01									#6
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I agree. this al lfor fun and we dont want too many rules, lets jsut see how things goes and hope no one trys to spoil the region by making "godlike" economies and armies.

Diplomacy and discusion should be fun for al lof us.

	25-04-2004 05:29									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin pop numbers in no way should determine how large a country is or how powerful it is. Otherwise the USA would not be as highly pwerful today as it is. It would languish behind China and India. Loook to the past and see that many smaller countries have held l;arge empires with much smaller populations than other countries, England, Rome, Dutch, Portugese etc. Forget trying for more meaningful numbers lets just role paly and have fun

looks good to me

	25-04-2004 13:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin pop numbers in no way should determine how large a country is or how powerful it is. Otherwise the USA would not be as highly pwerful today as it is. It would languish behind China and India.

I disagree. Population is an important factor in determining size of a nation and its power, given technological parity. Your examples all hinge on unequal tech levels, particularly the British Empire one. That's why it remained on small islands in Europe, because it could only overpower the primitive natives in the New World and the East.

	25-04-2004 13:18									#9
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I respectfully disagree with you but I don't feel like arguing about it.

	26-04-2004 02:03									#10
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Didn't we successfully fight off the dutch, spanish and french superpowers a couple of times ?

	26-04-2004 05:27									#11
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again we all make assumptions about the tech level of any nationstates nation. Too many factors are inknown in the nationstates world and role play in a common snese way is the only way to deal with it .

	26-04-2004 12:11									#12
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Common sense is not so common

	26-04-2004 12:49									#13
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well said

	26-04-2004 12:53									#14
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I agree with Crimson Sunrise.
Small nations just don't stand a chance in Apolyton.

	26-04-2004 12:55									#15
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oh, but that would be when allies are needed, and bringing into play great diplomacy