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Given than Azan no longer exists, but a lot of the conflict between Ceroo-Guardinia and FCL-Auldonina revolves around control of their former territory (and, if I understand the roleplaying correctly, most of these nations have troops on the ground in Azan), maybe we should create a "Disputed Region of Azan" with a public password (eg, "apolyton") that can change hands depending on how the conflict goes.

For example, maybe it should be created by Ceroo (and made as much like the original Azan as possible, sans government) then handed over to Frankychan to govern. Should the roleplay develop such that another nation takes over the area, either by force (Ceroo, Guardinia) or "peacefully" (Auldonina, the Hive), control should be given to that player. If the Apolyton Court intervenes, or we end up with peacekeepers on the ground, one of the judges (Basus) should assume control. Finally, if one nation manages to gain permanent control over Azan, the court could agree to let the nation be deleted again, and just add the territory to that nation.

I realise this probably means more work, but I think it adds something tangible to the game play.

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notice the democracies declare war while the despots take peaceful measures


also if it goes to war how is it going to be played out ? abit new to this

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My sentiments exactly Chairman Lazerus. This intrigues me. But since Azan is currently under Frankychanland control, wouldn't it be more appropriate for myself to start controlling this nation? I don't mind "carving up" my island into former-Azan-now-under-my-iron-heel-Frankychanland and present day Frankychanland.........well, I don't know where I was going with this so I'll just shut up for now.

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I think you should control Azan, Frankychan. But Azan's starting point should be as close to the original as possible (given that it was Azazel's nation, IIRC, that probably means some kind of social-democrat state), and then given over to you to repress as you see fit.

If you end up keeping it, fine. Eventually you should even be allow to absorb it completely. But if someone else takes it from you (through the course of roleplaying), even temporarily, they should address (or dismiss) whatever issues come up at the time.

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I like it! A whole new way to play NationStates. Just one comment: I suspect that it won't be able to be called "Azan" exactly, since new nation names aren't allowed to be identical to ones that have existed previously.

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I'm sure we could collectively come up with something... South Azan? The Former Yugoslavian Republic of Azan?

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good idea....

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Sounds good... and I'm sure there's plenty of permutations on the name you could do (Azania, Free Azan, etc).

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The Former Democratic Republic of Azan sounds goood

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Azan the Fallen?

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How about just "Former Azan"?

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Yes, that sounds best... it's not like it's actually going to come back, after all.

EDIT: Azan, that is.

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Do we have enough input yet to try this out? I would like to get Frankychan's ok before we go ahead with it.

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franky agreed up there ^^^^^ earlier....

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I should have read more closely... should I start up "Former Azan" then?

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Sounds cool.

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Here's the last entry for Azan from the topped "registry" thread:

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Originally posted by Azazel
The Egalitarian Technocracy of Azan


"More schools, more Jet fighters, more Big screen TVs."

UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Excellent

Location: Apolyton

The Egalitarian Technocracy of Azan is a huge, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 700 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Education, Defence, and Law & Order. The average income tax rate is 38%. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Information Technology.

Euthanasia is legal, citizens must pay to enjoy Azan's pristine beaches, the latest Harry Potter book is a bestseller, and the government extracts trade concessions from poor nations in exchange for humanitarian aid. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Azan's national animal is the oran-gutan, which is also the nation's favorite main course, and its currency is the The Azani Pound.

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The Disputed Territories of Former Azan
"We Remember"

UN Category: Left-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Superb Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: Apolyton
The Disputed Territories of Former Azan is a tiny, safe nation, remarkable for its compulsory military service. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 5 million are free to do what they want with their own bodies, and vote for whoever they like in elections; if they go into business, however, they are regulated to within an inch of their lives.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked morass -- is mainly concerned with Social Welfare, although Healthcare and Education are secondary priorities. The average income tax rate is 37%, but much higher for the wealthy. A very small private sector is dominated by the Retail industry.

Crime -- especially youth-related -- is well under control. Former Azan's national animal is the oran-gutan, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the FCL left big toe.



Set up as a liberal social-democracy. The password is "apolyton." I left the first issue (compulsory democracy) for Frankychan to deal with as he sees fit.

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Auldonina troops have been ordered to police al lcitys under the rule of the local Azanians, as they have no police of their own , this movement of troops is for thier own protection to prevent terrorist activity in their citys...

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I tried to mix the settings between Azan and Frankychanland in a logical way (FCL flag, Azan national animal), but feel free to change things up if you want.

btw, Franky: I stole this flag from one of the nations in the Hawaii region. I thought you might want to use it instead of the French Polynesian one you have now...

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My suggestion is just RP the whole situation on the forum. If you have noticed, military issues never matter - in fact, almost anything doesn't matter

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umm UR we know that it just a fun thing to do,, all of this is role play....

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But since the area will never be on the map, it doesn't matter, does it? Why go through all the trouble? You can have as many countries as you want as it is.

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Why will it never be on the map? We've had a great roleplay going for the past week or two, and this fits into it beautifully. Do you have a reason against (if so please explain), or are you just in a bad mood?

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For what reason should it be placed on the map? As far as I know, the original rules only allow real countries that are run by players to be placed. I see no reason to change it now.

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well the original rulea are out the window as only the poeple currently active ar emaking the rules... its a new ball game now...

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I hope nobody tries to carve up Sheepsta again...

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wel lundr your new rules we cant carve up empty slots so they will jsut remoain empty...

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well the original rulea are out the window as only the poeple currently active ar emaking the rules... its a new ball game now...


Apparently there's no concensus to what the new rules should be, while some of the "old" people are still active.

 
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