30-04-2004 22:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe Thanks Case for the link. GePap, how would you propose to include the rebels as civilizations? The key here is I don't want to give cities to rebels from the start.

Well, you can give them a settler unit placed somewhere were it can't settle down, no? I mean, a civ is alive as long as it has a settler unit...

You could call it the political leadership somewhere in exile...

	01-05-2004 05:23									#32
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quote: Well, you can give them a settler unit placed somewhere were it can't settle down, no? I mean, a civ is alive as long as it has a settler unit...

I don't think that that works in scenarios.

	01-05-2004 07:27									#33
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I do recall some discussion about placing cities on terrain that changes and the city disappears or something like that? I suppose it would allow city-less rebel groups to be able to sprout up.

What I've got so far intended: Rhodesia, South Africa, Portugal, Zambia, and ZANU. Since the ANC didn't score any big victories during this period, they won't be playable.

	01-05-2004 13:31									#34
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[quote]I do recall some discussion about placing cities on terrain that changes and the city disappears or something like that? I suppose it would allow city-less rebel groups to be able to sprout up.[/q]

I'd be careful with that. I know of at least one example where this doesn't have the desired effect. I was playing Allard Höfelt's modification of Microprose's Rome scenario, and he made Carthage disappear when the Romans took it. However, only the city graphic disappeared (IIRC, it also disappeared from the small map), but it was still there; I could build units in it and everything- I could also build a city on top of it, though.

	22-06-2004 03:18									#35
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How's this coming along?

	22-06-2004 17:00									#36
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Harry has a method of creating city-less civs...

	22-06-2004 20:28									#37
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Harry has a method of creating city-less civs...

The method only works if the city-less civ is the human player. Otherwise the city-less civ goes kaput. I have not tried this in multiplayer though with multiple human players, so there might be something there.

The benefits to this approach are:

1. No production for the cityless civ.

2. No generation of money for the cityless civ.

3. Cannot be destroyed if cities are captured because no cities to capture. Every unit has to be destroyed.

4. Allows for a "pre-game" conflict using a civ that is seperate from the later playable civ.

5. Allows for a wider array of units, if multiple unit.gif's used, because cityless civ's units will disappear after the switch is made to the later playable civ.

6. Player has only his units and a main objective to worry about.

	23-06-2004 06:01									#38
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quote: Originally posted by our_man How's this coming along?

Easy. It isn't

I haven't gotten around to doing stuff like this lately. I'll think about whether I actually want to carry this project or not...

	23-06-2004 16:24									#39
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That's a shame. Have you gotten much done on this?

	23-06-2004 19:50									#40
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The title.

I've got some more off the wall stuff I'd rather do, so I don't think I'll be doing this...sorry to disappoint everyone.