24-04-2004 12:00									#1
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...More than blind ambition
More than simple greed
More than a finish line
Must feed this burning need -
In the long run...


Game D players- Hours of freeze time remaining in blue

alexman(Netherlands) 215 alexman TA alum TOD mit TOD edu
Trip(England) withdrawn NeroTrip (at) Comcast (dot) net
smellymummy(Egypt) 336 sm at inethighway dot com
Soltz(Spain) 259 jsosiak "at" shaw.ca
richthur(Spain) kenthur at comcast.net

MC: jwala at fastmail dot fm

All games are set to:
Tiny Pangea with 70% ocean
All victory conditions except wonder
Cultural conversions and Scientific Great Leaders on
Monarch level
Climate/Temperature/Age Random
Roaming Barbarians
No culturally linked start

Last edited by Rommel2D on 12-07-2004 at 03:35

	24-04-2004 12:01									#2
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I'd suggest looking over the etiquette/exploit list to make sure everyone is aware of them and agrees on the options before beginning.

In particular:
1-2a
1-3a
1-3b
should be specifically agreed to. Likewise with the possibility of combat reports. The content of these reports is up to the group to determine.

Other items that bear repeating:
Rules
11) All players expected to make simple 'sent' post in tracking thread each turn, listing year played, except when technical problems interfere.

and
etiquette/exploits
1-3 Players shall not exchange in-game information until they are represented on each other's diplomacy screen.
3-1 Players shall dismiss all pop-ups (when allowed to) at the beginning of their turn until the 'production phase' is complete.

Last edited by Rommel2D on 26-04-2004 at 10:23

	24-04-2004 16:32									#3
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Thanks Rommel2D!

I propose we adopt all optional rules and ettiquette from the list.

My address:
alexman TA alum TOD mit TOD edu

	24-04-2004 23:00									#4
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Agreed with alexman.

TripGoT (at) hotmail (dot) com

Ready to start when everyone else is.

	25-04-2004 02:00									#5
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My fault for not setting this up real clearly, but disallowing ship chains could be considered the 'optional' rule. Did you mean to allow or disallow them?

	25-04-2004 02:02									#6
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I would personally disallow them (as I've said before), because using game mechanics to move units instantly across entire oceans is a bit too gamey for me.

	25-04-2004 02:07									#7
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I would also like to have a battle log required.

	25-04-2004 02:40									#8
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I like ship chains. If you increase individual ship movement, the attacker has an unfair advantage. But with chip chaining you get the benefits of high movement (comparable to rails) without the tactical unfairness.

But perhaps for consistency we should adopt all optional rules. What do the others say?

Battle log sounds like a good idea.

	25-04-2004 04:59									#9
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If smellymummy and Soltz drop their $.02 here this evening, I'll get alexman the turn posthaste...

	25-04-2004 05:07									#10
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I'd really like that our game doesn't end up going to the "lawyers" over some really silly stuff. Say for example I post "turn sent" instead of "Turn 100AD sent to Soltz", which apparently would be a violation of article 11, as referenced from section 1-2a, 1-3a, where we all put our nice little initials....

with all these rules, it almost seems unavoidable, now that everyone who followed the discussion has a clear picture on how to cheat.

as for ship chains, what's the big deal? many many weeks from now, when we'll all know where everyone's major ports are, wouldn't we probably all have ironclads/destroyers/etc (bombers too?) ready to sink the transports of our enemies? railroads kind of give the same exact benefit right?

now if we aren't able to get a unanimous decision about ship chains, let's just do it by the book?

and for battle logs, that sounds like fun. not sure what they have to contain exactly, so I'll do my best to be peaceful until I read one, or else I might get in trouble

so.. how about we just agree to not cheat, to be honest in our gameplay, and drop all the exploits talks and what ifs. And then maybe rommel could send the save and but out of our game... posthaste

	25-04-2004 05:36									#11
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quote: Originally posted by smellymummy so.. how about we just agree to not cheat, to be honest in our gameplay, and drop all the exploits talks and what ifs.

The main point of the discussion has been that most people cheat without realizing it because they are not aware of the flaws in the PBEM system.

Making the rules and enforcing them are two different issues. This isn't a national governmental concern- if a dispute does arise, we'll use the rules to resolve it. That's why it seems like a good idea to be aware of them in advance...

	25-04-2004 10:21									#12
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Alexman should have the start...

I'll occasionally keep the first two posts here updated with information about your game.

Don't forget, you have the option of restarting once before you pass your first turn on.

Godspeed...

	25-04-2004 10:32									#13
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the dutch, english and spanish? vs the egyptians?

cool setting

	25-04-2004 10:47									#14
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England...

	25-04-2004 11:09									#15
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I'm willing to go with the majority as far as the rules are concerned.

I'd like to ask forgiveness in advance if I forget to include the date in my turn posting. I'm in several games and I usually email all the turns out and post in one bunch. At that point, my short term memory for numbers starts to cut out!

	25-04-2004 11:11									#16
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Speaking of short term memory.. my email is

jsosiak "at" shaw.ca

	25-04-2004 11:26									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Soltz Speaking of short term memory.. my email is

Is that my short term memory?
I have so many PMs in my box, sorry if I lost the one that had your addy in it...

As long as one out of the four players posts the year, it shouldn't be a problem. I've just seen too many games where the turn is lost and it takes the players the better part of a week just to figure out what year it should be, much less who had it last.

	25-04-2004 12:03									#18
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I have no problem with posting dates (at least once a turn, as Rommel said), but every player should be required to post every time they do send the turn along, making it much easier to determine where a save gets caught up.

	26-04-2004 02:27									#19
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Dutch! Lucky me!

Rommel2D, I'd rather you use the e-mail address I gave in this thread. The one you have in the top post is my work address, and I'd rather not make that public. Thanks!

3950 sent to England!

	26-04-2004 03:39									#20
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I don't have 1.22 installed.

I'm a turnplayer for a MPDG that's running a game in 1.15 so I have to stay with 1.15. I'd do a dual install but I don't have enough space for that...

So, uh...

	26-04-2004 04:00									#21
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Have you looked at some of the optimized dual install proceedures- copying just the patch-relevant files and swapping them back and forth? It's a bit of a pain, but shouldn't take that much space. How much do you have?

	26-04-2004 04:01									#22
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You don't really need a full dual install.

Get the 1.15 patch and extract it into an empty folder. Zip that folder.

Then get the 1.22 patch and extract it into another empty folder. Zip that folder too.

Now whenever you want to play 1.15, unzip the 1.15 folder into your conquests folder. Overwrite the existing files. Similarly with 1.22. You don't need much space at all for that.

	26-04-2004 04:11									#23
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or just make two directories in your civ3/conquests:

v1.15 and v1.22

copy the version specific civ3conquests.exe, conquests.biq and the text/ directory

then copy and paste for the right playing

i find copying and pasting easier than ziping and unziping

	26-04-2004 09:55									#24
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3950 BC sent to Egypt.

	26-04-2004 21:40									#25
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to soltz

	27-04-2004 06:08									#26
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I'm also posting it here just in case I misread the email address.

As things turn out, I have to be out of town on business for most of next week. I've posted for a replacement for my games but I'm wondering is "which doctor" the designated replacement here?

	27-04-2004 06:10									#27
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Ooops... here's the turn

Last edited by Soltz on 27-04-2004 at 09:49

	27-04-2004 06:32									#28
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3900 sent to Trip.

	27-04-2004 06:59									#29
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3900 BC sent to SM.

	27-04-2004 07:11									#30
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back to soltz

so is the game going to get stalled? maybe you could bring your PC and the civ3 cd with you?