26-04-2004 23:17									#1
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Just saw a message from Vondrack in the main forum that I'm sometimes taking to long on saves, and he might be right. I simply can't make it every night, I do have other things to do then playing Civ.

So, either we come up with some kind of system so that others can play the save as well, and do so in case I'm missing, or we should find someone else to play the saves. After all, I was only intermediate, and even if I'm having fun most of the times, it is starting to wear on me to play all the saves.

Any ideas, or volunteers?

DeepO

	26-04-2004 23:58									#2
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I feel bad about it, but I can't promise to play turns for GS.

If the turn thread - complete with orders - was available ahead of time, and all I had to do was play it (if you couldn't get to it in time), I think I could do that.

edit: but I'd love it if someone else would step up. I just didn't want to leave DeepO w/o any sort of backup.

-Arrian

	27-04-2004 00:15									#3
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I'll offer to be a backup, though I am also not able to play every night.

It is, as you say DeepO, tiring to play every turn - as I know too well. However, I'm only half the turn-player you are and would not be able to match your planning and MM abilities.

	27-04-2004 00:54									#4
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What CH said (regarding the MMing - what you've been doing is pretty amazing).

Ok, if Cort and I both are available as backups, we've got a fair amount of coverage, since he's on GMT, and I'm GMT -5.

Anyone else wanna volunteer?

-Arrian

	27-04-2004 00:54									#5
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maybe we should try something like having the turn orders up ahead of time. For the moment, they are pretty straight forward, in that long term plans are in the Smith thread, and MMin isn't really critical anymore. Maybe I should put even more in detail what the bigger plans are for our empire, so that you can play the save when I'm not available. Oh, and I'm not the best MMer out there, I doubt I'm better then you are.

DeepO

	27-04-2004 01:37									#6
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I am not sure why they are crying. The speed is way up over two months ago. You have a vaction and maybe one other event. I just don't agree that the turns are an issue.

We have seen players sit on turns for a lot longer.

	27-04-2004 01:51									#7
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apart from that, it would make my life as a player a lot easier if there could be backups. The times I was late so far were because I couldn't help it, but apart from that, it would be nice to take a vacation from the save from time to time.

DeepO

	27-04-2004 03:22									#8
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I've been freeing up time a bit, so I'll volunteer again... as third in line of succession. And I'm prolly the weakest of us at MM, so, as has been said, the more details are posted the better.

Cort Haus and DeepO have been truly superb... a round of applause is in order.

	27-04-2004 03:27									#9
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I wish I could volunteer as well, but I'm thankfully gainfully employed at the moment and looking for a different job.

to the turnplayers, DeepO has been amazing. I can't imagine the work its taken, especially figuring in the forestation/deforestation of the island. impressive stuff.

	27-04-2004 03:33									#10
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Theseus, or anyone else, if you got free time, please pour over the coming war and try to make some battle plans. I can probably bring us to where we have a decent army, but I'm not a general, nor do I pretend to be one. That alone would take some pressure off.

And I'll do my best to post detailed plans. As said, the one in the Smith's thread can work for general planning, I'll try to take that a bit further.

Can we make some kind of rule in that if you don't hear from me in 24h after the save has been sent to us, somebody else automatically play the save?

DeepO

	27-04-2004 04:47									#11
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sounds like a good idea.



Any thoughts on bringing a former player back to the fold, say Nathan?

	27-04-2004 17:36									#12
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I'd love to bring Nathan back, but I got the distinct impression that when he's done, he's done.

Still, it's worth a shot. Anybody wanna try?

-Arrian

	27-04-2004 23:05									#13
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I'd like to offer my services, but I doubt that you will leave this game in the hands of a 15 year old

I'm sorry to have to ask this, but what the hell happened to break the team in two? Aeson was part, I've seen his posts, and Nathan? who else was ousted/left?

	27-04-2004 23:16									#14
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Krill, the team didn't really break in 2, it more or less disolved. Why? In large because many people were fed up with the attitude on the public forum, in which we were regularly bashed. I think that was the main reason Aeson left (after lurking for a while, he even left GS, but that was more because he then could speak out on the public forum, not implicating GS in the mean time because of what he said.)

The other big reason of course is that this game is going on for nearly 17 months. You simply burn out, especially if you invest as much time as Nathan has. I think he's still around, and will eventually read this thread, I doubt he's going to come forward to play again.

DeepO

	27-04-2004 23:23									#15
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Thanks, DeepO, and I have to admit I sometimes feel burnt out, but the amount you must all be feeling is tremendous.

	27-04-2004 23:37									#16
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Dom was on the team at one point as well. I have read that some players were upset about who ran the game.

In any event it would be nice to see any or all of them stop by and make another contribution. What happen months ago is long gone now.

I would expect that the number of months is the big issue and to put in the effort needed by CH and DeepO is so taxing. You just can't say enough about how they got the game rolling in such good shape. You need to look at the land we have and the lack of saltpetter to see what a job was done by them and Nathan.

If they had had Legos land the game would have been over now.

	28-04-2004 05:23									#17
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 If they had had Legos land the game would have been over now.

Darn tootin'!!

And not just the latest rounds of MM... Nathan and Dominae and Arrian were tremendous builders in the early game. It was really a sight to behold; improved my early game quite a bit.

Regarding the team's history and absences: I had a big hand in assembling our dream team, and is has saddened me a lot to see some of the contentiousness, both in- and out-of-team, result in some of best players (and people) peel away. But, as has been said, it's burn-out too. Hopefully people are still checking in once in a while, and rooting for us.

Anyway, Krill, we've all said it before, and we'll say it again: don't worry about your age. What counts is skill, and working as a team to back each other up, dream up and implement excellent plans, and avoid mistakes.

And to all you lurkers... Dominae, Nathan, nye, even you Vel, and any others... you are all WELCOME at the victory party!!

	28-04-2004 05:29									#18
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I wonder if this type of game could go faster with say 3 teams on small map. Maybe just a bit bigger than small.

If they games could be done in 6-8 months players may not get burned out.

	28-04-2004 12:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus And to all you lurkers... Dominae, Nathan, nye, even you Vel, and any others... you are all WELCOME at the victory party!!

I ain't goin' if the crusty Teuton don't go.

	28-04-2004 12:50									#20
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PS. I will play turns if I am needed and people want me to. After a bit of a break I almost feel recharged.

	01-05-2004 14:46									#21
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Maybe time to put this a bit formally. In case you don't hear from me within ~20 hours of receiving the save, could you play it? Probably CH as first choice, Arrian next, and if that doesn't cover it, nye perhaps? Normally, I'll try to warn when I don't have the time to play the save, but you never know.

Practically: do you guys have enough information in the last turn thread, and in the Smith's thread to play the turn? MMing is not that important, I try to include the critical parts in the build list (where it for instance says that a certain city needs a chop to be perfect on building something), all the rest is at your own discretion.

DeepO