27-04-2004 02:43									#1
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Hi all. Long time reader, 1st time poster.
I was curious how everyone would "rank" the traits.
First up: Agricultural.

On a scale of 0-5, 0 being totally worthless and 5 being the best, how would everyone rank the Agr. trait?

Update

Agricultural averaged 4.738 after 42 votes.
(Assuming one of the 1s was meant to be a 5)

Ranked highest, 1st

Chart coming soon.

Last edited by kobo1d on 04-05-2004 at 19:12

	27-04-2004 02:47									#2
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5. So much easier to set up settler and worker pumps, and the growth at the beginning leads to a powerful REX.

The main point though, are the combinations of the traits. I would rather be Agri/Ind than Agri/sea, even though the Dutch hace a great UU.

	27-04-2004 02:59									#3
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Hell, 6.

Needs a nerf IMO.

	27-04-2004 03:20									#4
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It just doesn't get any better in C3C than Ag.

	27-04-2004 03:25									#5
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Other than Ag/Ind. Fastest REX in the game.

	27-04-2004 05:53									#6
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	27-04-2004 11:12									#7
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This one's a no-brainer.

	27-04-2004 12:57									#8
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What a one-sided poll.

AGR, when used to its fullest potential, can be an awe-inspiring site.

	27-04-2004 14:32									#9
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Irrigated desert works like an irrigated plain? No contest!

	27-04-2004 15:47									#10
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Easily the best. Far, far too strong in fact. Nothing beats a good early expansion.

	27-04-2004 21:09									#11
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I should really read these polls before I vote. The “1” vote should be a "5". I was ranking it “first”, as in “most valuable”.

	27-04-2004 21:13									#12
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I'm sure we were all wondering what that guy was smoking.

	27-04-2004 21:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Trip AGR, when used to its fullest potential, can be an awe-inspiring site.

You mean when you reload?

	27-04-2004 23:16									#14
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Agricultare actually seems to be an over the top advange to me in current impliemention.

	27-04-2004 23:32									#15
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quote: You mean when you reload?

Reload? Me? Never, unless I'm in the middle of desert/jugle/taundra etc.

Dominae, you have to admit that it is one of the best traits, if you get some water.

	28-04-2004 00:36									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae You mean when you reload?

And play on Chieftan...

	28-04-2004 03:35									#17
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i actually give agricultural a 3, since you DONT get the full benefits of it, 1 extra food in every city, until you get out of despotism, or you are next to a source of fresh water. has nobody else noticed this? this may be a bug, or done intentionally, and the extra food for irrigated deserts is the best early on benefit of this trait. when i get out of despo i am usually done REXing anyway so thats why, IMHO they screwed agricultural.

	28-04-2004 03:54									#18
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It was done on purpose to prevent it from being even more powerful.

The extra food in the city center (you at least will found on water) is quite a boon. The despot handicap is true for all trait as regards food.

Chances are you will have a river and be able to found 2 or more cities on it. I figure the desert bit is a small thing for most maps.

	28-04-2004 05:27									#19
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	28-04-2004 07:15									#20
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a clear 5. unbeatable trait here. 1 extra food = 1/2 a typical grassland's food production (well, most of the time anyway). The bonus lets you either setup worker/settler pumps, or even out the food deficit from working that hill/plains/etc.

I'm not sure about the complaints abt it being too strong though. Or rather, I can't see an alternative implementation of agriculture. To give a flat %bonus to food production? Too strong in late game, useless in early game. And there aren't that many 'food' buildings anyhow.

	29-04-2004 01:24									#21
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This trait is almost like having an automatic Pyramids. Add in that my empire can grow amoeba-like right across those deserts. Yes! More food means more people. More people means more production, money, points on the scoreboard, and it even means more food as the people work more food tiles. I am convinced that all the ways to exploit the advantages of an Agricultural civ have not been discovered yet. I know I am still figuring it out myself.

voted 5

	29-04-2004 07:23									#22
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I keep seeing people going on about how Agricultural is obviously the most powerful trait but I haven't seen a cogent explanation of why this is so. A single extra food per city and the ability to make decent cities in deserts doesn't seem so great to me. What am I missing?

	29-04-2004 07:39									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Plotinus I keep seeing people going on about how Agricultural is obviously the most powerful trait but I haven't seen a cogent explanation of why this is so. A single extra food per city and the ability to make decent cities in deserts doesn't seem so great to me. What am I missing?

Read the article I just posted a few hours ago and maybe you'll see why.

	30-04-2004 02:59									#24
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4. The one time I got a REAL shot at it, messing around on Chieftain working on the art of micromanagement and what I hear in snooker as 'crossing the line' (the psych barrier that faces a player in not just building a lead, but actually winning OUTRIGHT - as oppsed to someone whose nerve breaks just short and leavs them stuck just short of victory while the opposition catches up). Pyramids, deserts, and agricultural. Fastest tech growth I've EVER had. Not that it says much, but to me, a few hundred years BC into the middle ages, industrial by 880 and (what would have been) modern by the 15th century - even on a tiny map - is nothing short of shocking. Then again, I'm no specialist

	30-04-2004 06:37									#25
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nothing new here...

	30-04-2004 08:20									#26
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[Trip] Of course, I read your article straight after posting here. Points taken. I have to say I'm still not enormously convinced, but I must get more experience playing Agricultural civilisations.

	01-05-2004 13:46									#27
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5. I hate agriculatural. It's way too d*** powerful.