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Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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Are you tired of checking the Diplomacy screen every turns? I am.
Are you dissatisfied with the game because you rarely do your own research? I am.
Are you bored with all the Sid threads that are so popular these days (sorry Sid fans)? I am.

Welcome to the NTTC - No Tech-Trading Challenge!

The name is pretty self-explanatory, but here are the rules:

1. No trading for techs from the AI.
2. No selling techs to the AI.
3. No gifting techs to the AI.
4. No accepting techs as spoils of war from the AI.
5. No receiving free techs from the Great Library.

I know the last one seems out of place, but building the Great Library sort of defeats the whole purpose of what NTTC is all about, namely doing your own darn research! Apart from these five rules, everything is like your normal epic game.

I've tinkered with this format a bit in the past, and it's a blast. IMO, tech trading is the single most powerful AI exploit out there; for me, it takes a lot of fun out of the game. Certainly it's a skill that we learn and that makes us better Civ3 players, but taking away all the AI's income gets lame after a while. Enter the NTTC!

Anyone up to taking the challenge with me?

Below I've posted a sample NTTC game that I've been having a lot of fun with. The map is surprisingly interesting for one that's purely random. I picked the Russians for reasons that should be obvious. I decided on Emperor difficulty. Taken together, this and the particularities of the map (no spoilers for now) make this quite a challenging game. Anyone game?

Attachment: nttc.jpg
This has been downloaded 316 time(s).

Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 04:41
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(Wow, I probably should have cut that image down to the essentials. Oh well.)

Here's the save:

Attachment: nttc, 4000 bc.sav
This has been downloaded 30 time(s).

Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 04:48
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Edit: Nah, forget it.

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May 2002
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 05:09
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I may play this soon (maybe later this week). I too have been playing no tech trading games (or very limited tech trading games) and it's a lot of fun and quite an interesting twist on the game.

Catt

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Nov 2001
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 05:55
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1. No trading for techs from the AI.
2. No selling techs to the AI.
3. No gifting techs to the AI.
4. No accepting techs as spoils of war from the AI.
5. No receiving free techs from the Great Library.

Except for 4 and 5 that is a normal game for me. I never like to contact the AI and I make few trades, just too lazy. I normally will not make the GL at emperor either.

Glad your retirement from Poly was not fully implemented.

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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 07:27
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I'm in!

I think Emperor is the right level. In my limited experience, this would be a very difficult thing to pull off at Demigod (for me, anyway), but at Emperor will be a good challenge.

How do you want to do this - post DAR's using AU format, as in, first 40 turns, then perhaps another arbitrary timing like say 1000BC (80 turns)?

1.22?

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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 07:32
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DP - sorry

Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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quote:
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Except for 4 and 5 that is a normal game for me. I never like to contact the AI and I make few trades, just too lazy.


Ah, but when you need to make trades, you do. No such luxury here!

quote:

Glad your retirement from Poly was not fully implemented.


Thanks.

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quote:
Originally posted by Aqualung71
How do you want to do this - post DAR's using AU format, as in, first 40 turns, then perhaps another arbitrary timing like say 1000BC (80 turns)?


However you like. First 40 turns is always nice though...

quote:

1.22?


Yes.

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I presume if the AI demands a tech we are permitted to cave in to their demands like the weak powerless cowards that we are?

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Jan 2002
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Sure...(I doubt you'll be able to abuse that priviledge!)

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Oct 2002
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Well, I've started this game, and it certainly requires some different thinking....particularly regarding research choice.

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Apr 2004
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 16:39
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I will give it a try next weekend. Normally I play on Monarch, but I think it is time to move up. As I do not like to check the Foreign Minister each turn it suits me fine.

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Jul 2002
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Is stealing techs via espionage still permitted?

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Jun 2002
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  Old Post 27-04-2004 23:46
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Good to see you back at Civ3 Dom. I'll fire this puppy up next time I play.

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Jan 2002
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Is stealing techs via espionage still permitted?


I'm tempted to say 'no', but let's say 'yes', at least for this particular game. It's hard enough already.

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Oct 2002
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  Old Post 28-04-2004 01:53
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Now this sounds interesting. I've downloaded the save so I can decide not to play it properly.

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Nov 2001
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Dom anything special about choosing Russia?

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Jan 2002
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Dom anything special about choosing Russia?


1. Expansionist: tech boost in the early-game.
2. Scientific: tech boost in the mid- to late-game.
3. Cossacks: powerful UU that can get you "back in the game".
4. Agricultural: I'm tired of it (every game posted on these boards is Agr.).

Remember that you cannot build the Great Library here, so 1 and 2 are especially important. I suppose I could have picked the Ottomans for similar reasons, but those Sipahi are darn expensive if all your income is going into research.

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That what I figured, just checking if it was a whim or a plan.

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Nov 2001
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There are a few ways to approach the tech race.

One is to push the tech rate and drag an AI trading partner along with you. This lets you get a slight tech lead on the main competition, and a decent tech lead on everyone else.

Another is to follow the leader AI, buying the new techs from them and then selling it around. You're giving up being the tech leader for the ability to horde as much gold as possible.

Then you can militarily beat techs out of the AI. Pretty straightforward, but never will get you a tech lead on it's own.

The other is to slow the tech rate through numerous alliances, fake wars, and of course beating up on any AI threats. The goal is to make it an 'every civ for themself' type tech environment where they all have to do most of their own research.

These rules address the first 3, but the 4th method can be just as effective. I usually play a mix of 1 and 4 (outside Sid), with 2 and 3 seeing spot usage if the situation arises.

Is this meant to be played straight 4, or is the 'dumbing down' effect of alliances also a no-no?

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Oct 2002
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Tough game this one. And a really weird map!

Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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quote:
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Is this meant to be played straight 4, or is the 'dumbing down' effect of alliances also a no-no?


1 through 3 involve trading for techs with the AI, so those are out. Essentially the idea is that you must research every single tech yourself (except for freebies from Philosophy, Scientific or the Theory of Evolution). So yes, this is a "straight 4" game.

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Jun 2002
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Lovely game.

Can't wait to see how the rest of you are doing.

What sucks in MY game particular: Huts:

City
Map
Gold
Gold
Warrior

Other than the city (in 3900 BC at least ), not much help. I'ld be even/ahead in research now with trading... oh well, fun, fun!

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Oct 2002
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I got 4:

Town
Warrior
Warrior
Map

So you're not alone!

Tough map for a "non-tech trade" game!

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Nov 2001
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My huts gave out:

Warrior
25g
Warrior
Warrior Code
Map
Alphabet

Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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Warrior
Warrior
Ceremonial Burial
Gold
Settler
Gold

I researched Alphabet first, so I had no chance of getting it from a Goody Hut. I'm pretty happy with the Settler, though, which is better than Alphabet even in this type of game. Aeson: which tech did you go for first?

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Jun 2002
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Alphabet first here too.

Settler would have been much better than town for me. Just given the location. But, hey, not complaining too much, it's been a good mil camp.

Dominae is offline Dominae
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Jan 2002
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Alphabet first here too.


I assumed that would be standard for everyone...

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Yep, Alphabet here too. First build was a Scout.

 
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