28-04-2004 21:49									#1
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... using Super Apolyton Pack 2.0 (possibly + GoodMod and/or Updater) or some version of Cradle, or other mods may be considered.

Detailed accounts are not necessary, but a timeline of what has been built/researched/moved would be required from each player.

We could start off with 20-50 turns each (depending on amount of players) to begin with, then later in the game 10-20 etc all to be decided. Of course pointless if no ones interested

	29-04-2004 02:18									#2
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I vote for cradle.

	29-04-2004 02:24									#3
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The idea is interesting though I have never joined a succession game before.

So far I have never tested the Cradle, I have only played the SAP2 with the Updater so another mod would be less friendly to me... and to my successor.

	29-04-2004 02:49									#4
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Don't be scared - A Succession game is a great way to learn a new mod .

I would be interested, but I've only got the Apolyton Edition installed at the moment, and that's liable to be buggy and/or undergoing strange changes (I have to keep my version up to date)...

	29-04-2004 03:09									#5
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quote: The idea is interesting though I have never joined a succession game before.

I havent tried Cradle in a while so that makes 2 of us on the (re)learning curve if we were to use it.

I reckon we need at least 4 players to make it interesting.

The previous CtP2 Succession Games, although I couldnt figure out what happened to 4 and from what i understand there were so many players #2 was split into 2 teams.

Game #1

Game #2a
Game #2b

Game #3

Game #4?

Game #5

Game #6

	29-04-2004 03:58									#6
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how about CTC? I think its more entertaining than the other mods(with all the events and such) and it also has a challenging AI. The problem with it, at least for me, is that it seems to become a bit unstable in the later game.

	29-04-2004 04:01									#7
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quote: Originally posted by EPW how about CTC? I think its more entertaining than the other mods(with all the events and such) and it also has a challenging AI. The problem with it, at least for me, is that it seems to become a bit unstable in the later game.

You needn't worry too much about that - Succession games here are unlikely to reach the later game . (I think that one was finished, but only under exceptional circumstances...)

	29-04-2004 05:23									#8
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quote: I would be interested, but I've only got the Apolyton Edition installed at the moment, and that's liable to be buggy and/or undergoing strange changes (I have to keep my version up to date)...

Is your hard drive *that* small you cant install it twice?

	29-04-2004 05:26									#9
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I have four bloody installs on mine even after I vowed to keep it down to two

	29-04-2004 05:42									#10
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From all those experimental MP mods?

I have 5 at the moment, but the debug sourcecode will be coming off soon. I just dont like having all the mods mixed together using modswapper. Itll be great when we can use mods from the scenarios folder

	29-04-2004 12:37									#11
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Might be interrested as well.

But shall we play with one of the new playtest version, or shall we stick with the normal Activision version?

What shall be the frequency, to pass over?

	29-04-2004 16:58									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Is your hard drive *that* small you cant install it twice?

In short... Yes and no...

	29-04-2004 17:45									#13
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quote: But shall we play with one of the new playtest version, or shall we stick with the normal Activision version?

Id rather not use the playtest yet, just because its more stable without it for now.

quote: What shall be the frequency, to pass over?

3 days wouldnt be too bad, would it?

	30-04-2004 03:18									#14
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Three days is fine with me but I hope we will be able to go faster than that. How are we going to transfer the save, by posting here or emailing to the next player?

	30-04-2004 03:28									#15
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Id prefer posting here so we all have access to any save game.

If Gilg is in perhaps we can start voting on settings.

	30-04-2004 04:36									#16
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I vote for cradle on very hard, 15 civs, barbs on second lowest setting

	30-04-2004 06:54									#17
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If using Cradle, I would suggest using Cradle 1.30b at my site, as this seems to be the most stable.

I would also suggest using the 'no raze' cities houserule.

	30-04-2004 07:10									#18
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I vote for the SAP2 with the updater but I don't mind testing the Cradle, as everybody is saying this is a great mod I think it is actually a great one.

	01-05-2004 07:04									#19
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i'd like to join
i just reinstalled all my PC and can start fresh w/ CtP2 no matter which mod

	01-05-2004 07:34									#20
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HuangShang. What are your preferences for game mod and settings?

Still waiting on a repsonse from Gilg.

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IMO Gilgamensch won't reply until monday as he can't connect to the Internet at home.

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EDIT: I should read my PM's before posting Gilg will be away for a week but he's still in, so we can stick him on the end of the order.

Oh yeah, thats right. Well i think its pretty obvious we're all easy for using Cradle so we can start and then drop Gilg at the end of the queue if he wants to join.

Player Order:

Maquiladora
EPW
Tamerlin
HuangShang
Gilgamensch (TBC)

Rules:
- turn per player: 20 turns for the first round, 15 for the second and third and 10 turns for every round after that (taken from last succession game)
- loose 3 day (72hrs) limit on passing turn on
- No Razing cities
- No Farms under cities (use goods more)
- No Right-Clicking
- Obviously no cheat menu

And here are my preferences:

Mod: Cradle 1.30b ("Cradle 1.3 Beta" option in modswapper)
Difficulty: Very Hard (5/6)
Barbarians: Raiders (3/4)
AI Civs: 7 (9 with us + Barbs)
Map: Gigantic Map (NOT ultra gig option)
Wet-Dry - 5
Warm-Cold - 5
Ocean-Land - 6
Island-Cont- 6
Uniform-Diverse - 6
Few-Many Goods - 7

Aztec civ.

Last edited by Maquiladora on 01-05-2004 at 20:50

	02-05-2004 01:17									#23
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My prefrences:
Mod: 1.30b cradle
Difficulty:very hard
Barbarians: Bandits (2/4)
AIs:12(14 with us+barbs)
Map: Gigantic doughnut shaped
Wet/dry:5
Warm/Cold:5
Ocean/Land:6
Island/Continent:6
Uniform/diverse:4
Goods:7
Pollution ON, Bloodlust off

	02-05-2004 02:47									#24
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i'm fine w/ anything, but I'd like more Ai Civs and more oceans and islands

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On the subject of AI's, i think its becoming clear we use the Gigantic map. 8 is a good maximum on this map size IMO, also having just the right amount gives some of those AI civs plenty of room to expand into and become very strong, rather than bumping into another player too quickly. We could increase the map size to accomodate more room for more civs but we'd be playing until christmas

For oceans and islands, the AI is poor at cross water invasions and naval warfare in general, thats why i prefer just a little water to give us the extra option, but not too much ocean it cripples the AI's threat.

	03-05-2004 05:27									#26
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I am OK with the settings though I am a bit afraid of being crushed by the AI civs at such a high difficulty level. I have heard that The Cradle is very tough for the human player.

BTW Maq, Is "Right Clicking" a trick?

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quote: BTW Maq, Is "Right Clicking" a trick?

I mean the right-click bug, where you right-click on terrain (under and not under FoW) and if no info box appears then a stealth unit (or normal unit under FoW) is on that square. Obviously its fine to right click for any other reason.

So if we go with a balance between mine and EPW's choices and everyone is fine with them, these will be the settings:

Mod: Cradle 1.30b ("Cradle 1.3 Beta" option in modswapper)
Difficulty: Very Hard (5/6)
Barbarians: Bandits (2/4)
AI Civs: 10 (12 with us + Barbs)
Map: Gigantic Doughnut Map (NOT ultra gig option)
Wet-Dry - 5
Warm-Cold - 5
Ocean-Land - 6
Island-Cont- 6
Uniform-Diverse - 5
Few-Many Goods - 7
Pollution ON
Bloodlust OFF
Civ: Aztecs

Ill start up the game and a new thread with my report and the save for EPW attached.

	03-05-2004 06:10									#28
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Sounds good though its definitly going to be a challenge.

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Yeah but thats the fun. Im certainly not used to all Cradle's workings yet, but this will be a good way for us all to learn.

	04-05-2004 06:44									#30
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i'm fine w/ all the settings... now its time for me to install CtP2