11-05-2004 04:48									#241
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What's wrong with animalistic sex acts?

That's given me an idea... see yas later.

	11-05-2004 04:55									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon What's wrong with animalistic sex acts?

Bestiality should be forbidden only when it falls under cruelty to animals, since sometimes, the animal is more than willing to participate

	11-05-2004 04:55									#243
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WTF, I say again W T F?!

	11-05-2004 05:06									#244
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quote: "tolerating" promiscuity of gays but yet denying gays the right to choose to enter into stable, meaningful relationships??

Where do I tolerate promiscuity?

I argue marriage, or else total abstinence. Ergo, you assume that total abstinence is impossible for anyone to achieve.

If you believe that your relationships go far beyond sex, then they should not be hampered by abstinence.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Bestiality should be forbidden only when it falls under cruelty to animals, since sometimes, the animal is more than willing to participate

I'm experiencing a deja vu, but you're still cool.

	11-05-2004 05:31									#246
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I can't help but repeating this quote, especially now that it doesn't adorn every post made by Space05us

	11-05-2004 07:00									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Where do I tolerate promiscuity? I argue marriage, or else total abstinence. Ergo, you assume that total abstinence is impossible for anyone to achieve. If you believe that your relationships go far beyond sex, then they should not be hampered by abstinence.

It's very arrogant and callously disrespectful of you to say that you know how every gay individual should live their life.

	11-05-2004 07:02									#248
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quote: very arrogant and callously disrespectful

1. I'm not the one who came up with these. I would think God has every right to be arrogant.

2. Not callous or disrespectful, if you believe people will be better off abstaining.

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Why did I stumble into here?

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The thread can have a good entertainment value, if you're trained to stomach the bigotry

	11-05-2004 07:24									#251
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Ben -- gays cannot lie to God for part of what they are and thus, denying themselves a full, meaningful life that would include a committed, monogamous relationship.

The fact is, that the majority of gays have the same basic values that mainstream heterosexual society has.

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MrFun

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In case you don't here get the picture let me put in these terms Ben.....

GOD CREATED GAYS, THEREFORE GOD WOULD NOT DAMN SOMETHING HE CREATED. GOD CREATED LOVE IN HUMAN BEINGS, ALL HUMAN BEINGS SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF LOVE.

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Ben -- do you literally follow all the rules in the Old Testament and the New Testament? Do you apply the same morals that were more relevant to ancient cultures and civilizations to your modern, 21st century daily life?

On the other hand, I hesitate to ask you these questions, because I don't know how honestly you will answer them.

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A question here and I'm not taking sides either way I just have a biblical question here so don't yell at me. I'm not totally up on my bible but somewhere in there didn't it say that God wasn't to please about homosexuality.

Again, not trying to offend, people in my family are I'm just asking a question for my own personal edification.

	11-05-2004 08:36									#256
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The quotes that homophobes and willfully ignorant like to use -- over and over again, ad nauseum -- are usually from Leviticus, Tiamat.

And even with the ones that speak more directly about sex between people of the same gender, there are others who interpret those passages differently from the homophobes and willfully ignorant.

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Leviticus also says you can't eat shellfish.

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you also cannot wear clothes of mixed fabric

	11-05-2004 08:42									#259
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Oh well there goes Queer Eye.....

	11-05-2004 08:49									#260
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun The quotes that homophobes and willfully ignorant like to use -- over and over again, ad nauseum -- are usually from Leviticus, Tiamat. And even with the ones that speak more directly about sex between people of the same gender, there are others who interpret those passages differently from the homophobes and willfully ignorant.

But doesn't it stand to reason....and I"m out on a limb here but it seems to me that if God created us and we are created in his image and likeness that would also include gay people to.

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Gay people go to church, they have gay churches I've gone to one with my brother. They all seem to be happy in their salvation and they worship God just like we all do in the same way so why all the decention.

	11-05-2004 08:57									#262
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It is easy to explain really... Ben Kenobi is not worshiping god, he worshiping a peverted satanic form of god, and it binds his will and makes him bitter towards those that would otherwise be left alone.

BEN YOU WORSHIP SATAN, GIVE IT UP, SAVE YOU SOUL IF YOU EVEN HAVE ONE.

	11-05-2004 09:03									#263
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Evan don't be like that....you can't just poo poo everyone's opinions. He's entitled to his why don't you make a constructive argument against his point.

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The god of the old testiment is Urison, or in otherwords Satan, that is why he shows no mercy, and pits evil upon mankind. The old testiment should be thrown out, it's evil seeps the world thanks to the council of Nicea, and that god damn evil encarnate Constantine.

	11-05-2004 09:32									#265
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quote: Copied from http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12132003.html I always say, and if you want to talk about homosexual unions in recorded history you should do some study first. First I recommend you read John Boswell's fine book Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality (University of Chicago Press, 1980), in which he documents legally recognized homosexual marriage in ancient Rome extending into the Christian period, and his Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe (Villard Books, 1994), in which he discusses Church-blessed same-sex unions and even an ancient Christian same-sex nuptial liturgy. Then check out my Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan (University of California Press, 1995) in which I describe the "brotherhood-bonds" between samurai males, involving written contracts and sometimes severe punishments for infidelity, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Check out the literature on the Azande of the southern Sudan, where for centuries warriors bonded, in all legitimacy, with "boy-wives." Or read Marjorie Topley's study of lesbian marriages in Guangdong, China into the early twentieth century. Check out Yale law professor William Eskridge's The Case for Same-Sex Marriage (1996), and other of this scholar's works, replete with many historical examples.

	11-05-2004 18:14									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Tiamat Evan don't be like that....you can't just poo poo everyone's opinions. He's entitled to his why don't you make a constructive argument against his point.

I try to have respectful discussion but it's hard for me to do that when someone is willfully ignorant about sexual orientation and the issues that go with it.

	11-05-2004 19:49									#267
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I understand it's a bit like having the dentist poke your cavity with that little sharp stick! That's why when I ask questions regarding something this touchy I'm always very careful. I hope I offended no one.

	11-05-2004 21:03									#268
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You didn't offend me in this thread.

	11-05-2004 21:05									#269
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quote: I try to have respectful discussion but it's hard for me to do that when someone is willfully ignorant about sexual orientation and the issues that go with it.

If anyone is confussed about sexual orientation, than it is you, MrFun

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Oh -- that was a joke. Ok -- ha, ha.