Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Civilization II > Scenario League / Civ2-Creation > Coming soon...
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
29.Jul: MOVING UP ON REVISED `TOP 100` INDEX
29.May: GAME MECHANICS REFERENCE BOOKLET
06.Mar: DROPPING FROM SECOND TO THIRD
CivGroups
Scenario League / Civ2-Creation (66): Not a Member - Join

bottom of page
  - CIVILIZATION 2 from $6.95 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $4.25 - CIV2: TEST OF TIME from $2.50 - CIV2: MULTIPLAYER GOLD EDITION from $4.99
Author
Thread   
Pages (2): [ 1   2   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 20:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
Coming soon... Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

After more than a year's wait, I am about to begin construction on a new historical scenario for Civ2...



(title picture is temporary-as is, most likely, the title itself)

Construction will begin in about two to four weeks time (after my final exams).

Please post your expectation about and suggestions for this scenario here. As voted for, this scenario will deal with the Fall of Rome. I have a lot of ideas about the basic concept of this scenario, but won't post them just yet.

Until then... up the irons!

Last edited by Stefan Härtel on 30-04-2004 at 20:27

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 20:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Does anybody see the picture? For some reason, I don't.

our_man is offline our_man
Prince
Glasgow, Scotland
Oct 2000
time: 05:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 20:25
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

No, I can't see it either Stefan.

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 20:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

Now it's there

Cyrion is offline Cyrion
King
Caught somewhere in time
Jan 2002
time: 06:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 21:38
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Re: Coming soon... Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Now that's something I'm looking forward to, Hallowed be Thy Name, Stefan!

quote:
Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
Please post your expectation about and suggestions for this scenario here. As voted for, this scenario will deal with the Fall of Rome. I have a lot of ideas about the basic concept of this scenario, but won't post them just yet.

Until then... up the irons!


Well, you asked for it... I expect this scen to keep his title, and above all with the same font!

For more constructive remarks, you'll have to wait, sorry...

But I would really like to stop Attila with Aetius on the "Champs Catalauniques" (no idea how to call it in english, and too lazy to look for the latin version...).

I imagine something heavily event driven, with hordes from different tribes appearing suddenly on the border and razing the country...

Of course, to make the best use of events, you would then need to make it playable only from 1 side! I would then prefer Rome, and then you could try to bribe the different tribes, whose loyalty would last for only a short time (a thing the AI is really good at)

I'll think about it some more and come back when I've had a few more Revelations (which might be after a few beers, usually around 23h58...)!

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 22:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Now that's a lot of puns

quote:
I'll think about it some more and come back when I've had a few more Revelations (which might be after a few beers, usually around 23h58...)!


I'll see after that at that time... after the equal amount of beers

Gagliaudo is offline Gagliaudo
Chieftain
of Medioevo
Jan 2003
time: 06:17
  Old Post 30-04-2004 23:36
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Hi guys

@Cyrion:
I'd like to face Attila at Campi Catalaunici (Catalaunic Fields? ) too, but...

@StefanH:
What 'fall of Rome' you'll develop?
AD 410, 455 or 476 ?
Or all of the three???
Many protagonist peoples were the same, but many changed (and so the chiefs); I think it will depend on which perspective (chronological but geographical too) you're thinking about.
There are a lot of chances, even cutting off some minor (or that you'll consider minor) people.
MarkLaanen's work is a classic, but (as quite everything ) perfectible (almost in the graphics), and I'm sure you're thinking to anything very original, as the civers (like me) are used to expect from you
BTW: between my (uncountable) scenario project (which never saw the light ) there were a lot of ideas about the period of the end of Roman Empire.
I'll be happy to see something 'touchable' on that period....

Good Luck for exams (meanwhile)

Exile is offline Exile
King
of the Benighted Realms
Sep 2000
time: 23:17
Post  Old Post 30-04-2004 23:51
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Catalaunian Fields

curtsibling is offline curtsibling
King
of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 02:51 Visit curtsibling's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

@Stefan Härtel:

A fall of Rome scenario - Good to see you are going Where Eagles Dare!

Gagliaudo is offline Gagliaudo
Chieftain
of Medioevo
Jan 2003
time: 06:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 03:17
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

@curt:
Hey, that's a good idea, I'll reveal another (uff!) of the uncountable (and not-done ) projects of mine... inspired by the movie "Where Eagles Dare"... An alternative scenario, don't you think?
Well, I'll give you this idea 'gratis' (free)

@exile: thanks for the 'Fields'.

@stefan: who'll catch the "Urbs Aeterna"???
Alaric? Genseric (Gaiseric)? Attila? Odvokar?

yaroslav is offline yaroslav
Emperor
Madrid, Spain, Europe
Jun 2001
time: 06:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 03:41
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

What I expect this scen to be

1) Very difficult
2) With lots of problems, and in fact, a sense of "decadence". Decadence is very difficult to simulate in civ, but I'd suggest you to put a lot of palaces in many cities and put them very expensive to mantain. Also, make no palace buildable. This will take a lot of money from player's hand making buildings being sold from time to time, so the cities will get worse with turns cumulating... That can be very interesting and make a feel of decadence.
3) I know I'm too pedantic, but I'd like many remarks in the scen about how Western Empire fell but not the Eastern Empire (Byzantium)
4) Maybe you could separate the Empire in two parts? Make the Easter Empire a cold ally than doesn't go in war against you but doesn't help you either.

Well, these are my firsts ideas. You now where you can locate me for testing

GePap is offline GePap
King
of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 04:12
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Civ choices are always hard:

I agree a western and Eastern Empire. And you need Huns. You also need the Persians of at the East really. That leaves 3 civs. Ostrogoths and Visigoths works then. Then there are also perhaps General germanic tribes.... would the barbs be the Vandals?

POTUS is offline POTUS
Prince
How could I possibly not have a Mozambican flag, I mean, what other country has an AK-47 on their flag?
Jul 2003
time: 21:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 04:58
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I'd not put palaces everywhere, because the locals often supported the Barbarians if the Barbarians would help them (pay them).

Cyrion is offline Cyrion
King
Caught somewhere in time
Jan 2002
time: 06:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 05:42
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by Exile
Catalaunian Fields


Short post, but precise answer! Thanks Exile

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 01-05-2004 13:59
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
The Ides of March (pun intended) Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I'll tell you what I have in mind.

A couple of years ago, I wanted to make a scenario about the decay of Rome triggered by the civil war after Commodus' death.
I'm beyond that now, and I thought of something else.

First of all, let me state that the Fall of Rome is an incredibly complex thing. Quite a few scenarios have been made about it, and the classic setting is as follows:
Two Roman civs (East and West Rome) are struggling for survival against a number of other tribes, the tribes always varying, but usually being something like Goths-Vandals-Franks-Persians-Huns. It's very much about empire-building or empire-keeping.
This model is always a bit flawed, because you'll have to regard many things and disregard many things to keep the scenario playable. I have therefore decided that it's not possible to depict the Fall of Rome in it's entirety.
I have decided to do it from the perspective of the Huns. Why the Huns? Because they will make the most interesting game, I think.
The basic concept will be something like this:
The Hun player (only the Hun civ will be playable) starts out with a number of medicore and strong units nothing more. Like the historical Huns, he will have to set up a base by conquest. Modern-day Hungary would, of course, be the best choice.
Maybe he will have a few buildable units, but they should not be strong (siege engines and slaves would be the most realistic thing).
He then has free choiceas of what to attack next: Go straight to Rome, attack the provinces, as in reality, or try and attack East Rome (which will be very difficult).
Everything will be in the scenario: Merciless plundering and destruction of the cities in Gaul, the negotiations with the Pope (optional, though), Attila killing his brother Bleda, the fall of the Burgundians and the origin of the legend of the Nibelungs...
The player will, of course, also be able to alter history by taking Rome or successfully attacking Constantinople.

The player is free to choose his difficulty level. If he does what the Huns did historically, the game will be rather easy at the start, but will become difficult later on.
If he decides to attack East Rome, the game will be very hard.
If he tries to conquer everything, the game will almost be impossible to win.

I hope nobody is disappointed with my decision of backing away from the 'traditional' Fall of Rome model.

quote:
Good Luck for exams (meanwhile)


Thanks-I'll need it!

Gagliaudo is offline Gagliaudo
Chieftain
of Medioevo
Jan 2003
time: 06:17
  Old Post 02-05-2004 01:02
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I'll wait with curiosity the development of your project, I was sure your objective was an original work, so ... up the irons!
Btw, I hope in future you'll give a chance to play Romans or other tribes in your scenario: to conquest the empire OR to defend it quite hopelessy from the barbarian, almost to make his fall come later... Play as Attila will be good, but I think Aetius won't be so bad...
Bye!

curtsibling is offline curtsibling
King
of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:17
  Old Post 02-05-2004 03:27 Visit curtsibling's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Upon hearing that civ line-up, this scenario sounds exciting!

Playing as one side of the West/East empire and helping each faction survive will be great!

A real Dance of Death, to be sure! (pun intended!)

Arthedain is offline Arthedain
Prince
Dúnedain of the north
Apr 2002
time: 06:17
  Old Post 02-05-2004 22:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I like the idea (playing as the Huns). Not like the other "Fall of Rome" scenarios.

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 06-05-2004 23:38
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Allrighty then... here's the first draft of civs:

Huns
West Romans
East Romans
Ostrogoths
Alans
Germans (Gepids, Visigoths etc)
Burgundians

All others would be Barbarians. The Huns will be the only playable civ.

Comments?

Last edited by Stefan Härtel on 07-05-2004 at 17:31

jasev is offline jasev
Moderator
of the SCS Forum
Feb 2001
time: 06:17
  Old Post 07-05-2004 00:12 Visit jasev's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#20 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I'm glad you finally accepted my idea of creating a "fall of Rome" scenario (yes, it was mine ). I'll be expecting it becaus i'm sure it will be fantastic.

Hendrik the Great is offline Hendrik the Great
Prince
Good old Germany!
Oct 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 07-05-2004 15:03 Visit Hendrik the Great's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#21 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I really like the idea of playing on the side of the Huns Stefan! If you need some playtesting or advise feel free to ask me. Unfortunately I don't have any useful ideas right now however, your SCN sure sounds like an interesting project!

BTW, do you already have a map?

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 07-05-2004 17:32
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#22 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

Civ choices posted above.

Hendrik, I'll come back to yor offer

As for the map, I don't have one yet. I'll post my ideas later on.

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 19-05-2004 17:47
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#23 Report this post to a moderator
First screenshot Get a bigger avatar today!

Scream for me Aquincum...

Attachment: aquincum.gif
This has been downloaded 178 time(s).

Cyrion is offline Cyrion
King
Caught somewhere in time
Jan 2002
time: 06:17
  Old Post 19-05-2004 18:46
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#24 Report this post to a moderator
Re: First screenshot Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote:
Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
Scream for me Aquincum...




How far are you??

Gagliaudo is offline Gagliaudo
Chieftain
of Medioevo
Jan 2003
time: 06:17
  Old Post 19-05-2004 23:36
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#25 Report this post to a moderator
Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

@Stefan:
first impact: sounds great!

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
  Old Post 20-05-2004 00:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#26 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I'm not very far yet, and I unfortunately don't have as much time as I hoped, because I failed my maths exam. I'll have to prepare for orals in maths now, but I've got ~4 weeks for that.
Officially, of course, I don't know that yet, but I know...

Still, I have shiploads of time, because there's nothing else to prepare for (I hope ).

Gagliaudo is offline Gagliaudo
Chieftain
of Medioevo
Jan 2003
time: 06:17
  Old Post 20-05-2004 05:08
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#27 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

@Stefan:
Well, sorry for maths... up the irons!

Valuk is offline Valuk
Warlord
Acres Wild
Oct 2002
time: 05:17
  Old Post 21-05-2004 15:22
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#28 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Great, finally something that ISN'T about WW2!
Will the scenario end in 453 A.D., or will the hunnic player be given the option to win at Nedao river and save his empire?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the scenario, can't wait to make the Romans Run for the Hills.

ComradeCommisar is offline ComradeCommisar
Chieftain
UK
Feb 2004
time: 05:17
  Old Post 21-05-2004 15:42
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#29 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Mmm beating Aetius at the Catalaunian fields would be a challenge methinks

I like the idea of this scenario, keep up the good work

Stefan Härtel is offline Stefan Härtel
King
Eddie's best friend
Jul 1999
time: 06:17
Exclamation  Old Post 17-06-2004 19:37
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#30 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Alright people, I'll be honest.
I haven't had time to work on this scenario during the last month. As I said earlier, I first failed my maths exams, so I had to go into orals. What added up to it was that, a day before I officially got the grades (last Sunday), I had also failed the written Biology and Chemics exams. It's a very difficult thing to explain, but I'll try.
My school is a private school. The government of Bavaria, the territory I live in, has a discriminatory policy towards private schools. While the official system is that you get your final gradess during the course of the last two years, and then do written and oral exams which will be added to these marks (four subjects, BTW), in private schools it's like this: The only marks you get are from the written exams. You write one test in each of eight (in my case even nine) subjects. There are fifteen points, you may not go below one point (point is equal to "mark" or "grade"). There are three blocks, the upper two (in my case three) subjects, two further subjects and four lower subjects. In the first block, you need to get a total of 120 points (the marks are multiplied by 12), added to the next two subjects, they had to be 200. Combined with the lowest four, it had to be a total of 280 points, while you had to reach 80 points in the lowest block and must not have more than two marks below five points.
Now what happened was that my total was 369 points, i.e. much more than enough. I had 308 in the upper two blocks, but had 0 points in maths, which was among these subjects, so I already failed. It is possible to give it a second try in oral exams, and that was what I prepared for.
Later, I was informed that I had only 71 points in the lowest block, and only one subject above 5 points. So, I had to go in orals in both Chemics or Biology. I couldn't go in the two lowest subjects, French and Geography.
If I reached 9 points in Biology, I wouldn't have to go in Chemics (a "special" arrangement).
So, yesterday, I went into orals in Biology and got the nine points, and today I went into orals in Maths, and I got two points; I was told this is enough (I always thought I had to reach three points, but it as double- and triple-checked).

Point of this incomprehensible story: I MADE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or, in puns:
Not a prisoner... I'm a free man!
No more school- No More Lies!

Sorry. Couldn't resist

That means that I can now continue work on the scenario.

By the way, check this out: I got 14 points (of 15) in English, the subject with the heaviest weight of all, and 0 in Maths (originally). I got 9 in history and 2 in Chemics.
Can you spot a trend?

 
Pages (2): [ 1   2   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:17.
Apolyton Time is 00:17.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0700 seconds (92.64% PHP - 7.36% MySQL) with 36 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net