11-09-2000 18:18									#1
	What the hell?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Suffering from ads?

This site has been down nearly 30 hours!!! What the hell has been going on! This is serious, you can you guys accept this stuff from Gamestats? There are slowdowns but this is getting bang out of order...

	11-09-2000 18:54									#2
	Suffering from ads?

I don't know about Gamestats' reputation but this is pretty piss-poor for a site of Apolyton's quality. I doubt it is your fault, Markos and Dan, but if this is a sign of Gamestats' reliability I suggest you find yourselves a more friendly server that cares about its family of affiliates.

	11-09-2000 18:58									#3
	Tired of ads?

This might not be the right thread to say this - but I hesitated to start a new one.

On this occasion (unlike the time the UK was barred) we did have access to GameStats main page - would it have been beyond the bounds of possibility for this page to carry a little note
<font color=blue>"Apolyton down through technical problems - hope to be back tomorrow"</font>
or somesuch??


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	11-09-2000 19:08									#4
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I'm totally with you there Scouse Git 1...even look at the server outage notice

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>At around 5:20AM EST yesterday, the server that hosts Apolyton CS and numerous other sites on GameStats lost HTTP (World Wide Web) functionality to the "outside world". It was restored earlier this morning and should be operating as normal once again.

We have been informed that it was indeed a server problem and that GS is working on procedures to help eliviate the likelihood of this problem from recurring.

We thank you for your patience and understanding during our recent downtime.
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Not a word of apology from Gamestats at all. It really seems like they are a bunch of downright arrogant twirps that don't realise that the sites are more important than themselves. Markos and Dan really shouldn't have to put up with this disgraceful attack on their reputation as a quality site. Quality sites and servers don't crash for 28 hours without so much of a word of apology on the internet anywhere.

Shocking.

	11-09-2000 20:21									#5
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Wow look at the Apolyton addicts whine

Sorry guys, I had to check out my DDOS software, cause Im L33t /jk



<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Sophanthro (edited September 11, 2000).]</font>

	11-09-2000 20:23									#6
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I doubt that Dan is going to apologize to himself, since he has been the Director of Operations at Gamestats for some time now.

I have to agree with everyone else here that some sort of notice should have been posted on the gamestats homepage for so long an outage.

	11-09-2000 20:30									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

THAT PISSED THE HELL OUT OF ME!!

	11-09-2000 23:19									#8
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i would hope that some people would notice that something like that havent happened in the last 26 months in the history of apolyton & gamestats, but i guess i'm being optimistic....
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited September 11, 2000).]</font>

	11-09-2000 23:25									#9
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I hear you MarkG...
With the exception of some "slow downs", the service has been very dependable.

You would think the world came to an end from all the whining

I enjoyed the day by watching some football, and checking out ACOL, and taking a nap. It was a fine day

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Ming (edited September 11, 2000).]</font>

	11-09-2000 23:51									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

This is not the only time.Maybe not 30 hours but....

Slowdowns are common.Lost pages.

Its not terribly upsetting to me,but if this was my site it sure would be.I'd have bailed on this server long ago.

	12-09-2000 00:42									#11
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...and the saga continues...

In this weeks installment, nobody can reach Apolyton! What happened? Did Mark and Dan move onto the bowling circuit and leave it all behind? Was it a "technical problem" as Scouse Gits, that dashing young devil may care speculator, speculated? What was it that Sophanthro was talking about? Who is Sophanthro? Is he what AH refered to in last weeks episode as a CTP playing "girl"? ...like yours truly? Is Gothmog's speculation that Dan is not his own apologist correct? Is an Apologist a member of Apolyton? Then there's Smash, he's right, but after that tirade of abuse by the BIG 3 on those who dared speak their minds, who showed they actually have minds...will he be destined to be ignored?

Will Gamestats ever get it right?
Will Dookie ever realize that love means never having to say you're sorry?
Will Mark and Dan ever notice that other sites are like their first girlfriends, they never go down?
Will Provost Harrison ever realize that a bang is never "out of order"?
Will Ming, who scoffs at the frequent slowdowns, not realize that we don't all have T1 connections?
In this latest saga, our usual villian, UGO is not at fault! WTF?

...tune in next week when 'As the Apolyton World Turns' continues...

	12-09-2000 02:04									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

The real reason for the breakdown was hacking by Alexander's Horse, He is so stupid that he did is as his vacation ended, so he missed out as well.

	12-09-2000 04:10									#13
	Suffering from ads?

Keep claiming that son, and your going to bring suspicion on yourself

I think the downtime was worthwhile just for the thought of addicts like Mao pressing the refresh button over and over again *snicker*


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	12-09-2000 04:15									#14
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What happened? Apolyton was just down again for 1 hour. Are we going to have small outage problems for a while?

	12-09-2000 04:38									#15
	Got spare money?

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Prancer on 09-11-2000 03:42 PM</font>
...our usual villian, UGO is not at fault! WTF?

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LMAO!

Welcome back! Shtuff happens. Don't spend too much money on multiple redundancy plans, we can live for 30 hours. Now forty would be tough...

	12-09-2000 05:49									#16
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Wow, get a life...

	12-09-2000 06:14									#17
	Put an end to popups!

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font> I would hope that some people would notice that something like that havent happened in the last 26 months in the history of apolyton & gamestats, but i guess i'm being optimistic....
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I'm sorry, MarkG, but that is a lame response.

First there is the fact that it's not quite true - just a few months ago you lost your most important asset, your entire downloads database, which hadn't been backed up in months. Aside from that, hearing that you haven't had a catastrophic failure for two years is somehow not very re-assuring.

When customers show up at your store, only to find the lights out, the door locked, and no sign on the door, you have a serious situation that warrants something more than "I'm sorry you failed to notice this hasn't happened in a long time." Not having fail-over or backup systems is pretty bad, but not even posting a message for bewildered "customers" is really inexcusable.

- mindseye
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by mindseye (edited September 11, 2000).]</font>

	12-09-2000 06:22									#18
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Hmmm, some of these "customers" confirm my decision not to choose a career in retail. Apolyton was down for a few hours, WHO CARES?



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	12-09-2000 06:25									#19
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Man... come on guys... we are talking about a gaming site here, not some national security site. Even the big money sites have had down time lasting that long or longer. If you want perfection, you won't find it at ANY web site. I've seen some very reputable sites that are down often. It's actually pretty good here overall... (with the exception of some SLOW times) If Apolyton being down can get you so mad and pissed, maybe you need to get out more

	12-09-2000 06:31									#20
	Remove this text

Yeah, GeoCities was down yesterday, but it was for about an hour.

I don't expect websites to be up all the time, but a down time of 30 hours is excessive.

	12-09-2000 06:53									#21
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Oh come on! Its a gaming site... yes some of us spend a little *cough* too much time here *everyone looks at ctg*

But I'm not complaining, 30 hours not on apolyton... thats the end of the world... get out! DO SOMETHING! Go have some fun, I'm just using apolyton to procrastinate doing homework...

	12-09-2000 07:25									#22
	Tired of ads?

I'm sorry, maybe for me it's more a matter of professionalism (I work in the industry). The first rule of a major outage is to alert your customers/users. Posting a small notice on a parent server requires little effort.

That's why I say: lame.

- mindseye

	12-09-2000 07:58									#23
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by mindseye on 09-11-2000 10:25 PM</font>

I'm sorry, maybe for me it's more a matter of professionalism (I work in the industry). The first rule of a major outage is to alert your customers/users. Posting a small notice on a parent server requires little effort.

- mindseye
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mindseye, I agree with you. However, in this case (AFAIK) the parent server (gamestats) was down as well. At least, they were down every time I checked.

John-SJ

	12-09-2000 11:21									#24
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by mindseye on 09-11-2000 09:14 PM</font>
First there is the fact that it's not quite true - just a few months ago you lost your most important asset, your entire downloads database, which hadn't been backed up in months.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>what does this have to do with this? that was a problem caused by a script and the back-up was my responsibility. nothing to dowith gamestats. in this case there was a problem with the httpd which does have to with gamestats. i just pointed out that something like that has never happened before, which goes to remind that we have had a pretty good service here so far

	12-09-2000 11:27									#25
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

and something else

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by mindseye on 09-11-2000 09:14 PM</font>
you have a serious situation that warrants something more than "I'm sorry you failed to notice this hasn't happened in a long time."
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>our notice on the issue was the news item in the about section and the announcement on the forums. my post was a reply to something someone said....

	12-09-2000 18:25									#26
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by mindseye on 09-11-2000 09:14 PM</font>
I'm sorry, MarkG, but that is a lame response.

been backed up in months. Aside from that, hearing that you haven't had a catastrophic failure for two years is somehow not very re-assuring.

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by mindseye (edited September 11, 2000).]</font>
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Being down for a day is a catastrophic failure? Please, thats a non-lethal failure. When you begin to lose astro/cosmonauts and getting your rocket blown up on the last mission step, thats a catastrophic failure.

(been playing Buzz Aldrin's Race To Space too much again... ;-))

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	12-09-2000 18:59									#27
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

wow......this is the first time to this area of the site......hmmm.......I think some diaper changes are needed. I am a fairly new member(since August), but I think the site is fairly cool. I guess one can't please everyone.

	12-09-2000 20:10									#28
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We should strive to fix and problem and any fault, no matter how large or small that persons problems are. Some may be more severe than others, but fix the severe ones and move down the list of severity. It's an endless list, but it is an admirable admiration to fix them all...

Sorry, just my philosophy for the day, but you catch my point. Solve all problems that you can possibly solve...

	12-09-2000 20:57									#29
	Support Apolyton

I agree with the idea of fixing problems, but if a site being down for a day crushes your existence, you need a reality check dude.

	13-09-2000 00:46									#30
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Xuenay & stuntman19,

I think you read my message backwards! Apolyton being down was not catastrophic for me, but from the point of view of a web-based business, having your site completely "off the air" is about as serious a problem as can occur, i.e. "catastrophic".

The gravity of an outage depends on its duration and the nature of the site's business. If you're processing millions of dollars of sales online daily, an outage of five minutes would be "catastrophic". For a site like Apolyton, I'd say a <24 hour outage is not a big deal unless it's a frequent occurance. An outage of 24-48 hours should raise an eyebrow and prompt a post-mortem. More than 48 hours should probably spark immediate action. My specific point was that a small notice on the parent server requires little effort and should be standard procedure in an outage.


John-SJ, when I checked the GameStats main site, it was up. I tried the link to the Apolytons Forum, it failed. This would be the logical place for a notice to have appeared.


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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>my post was a reply to something someone said
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I apologize, I missed the official announcement.

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>what does this have to do with this?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>
MarkG, I understand maybe you have not had this exact problem in a long time. My point was that from a broader point of view, your site has experienced two major technical problems within a few months. As a fan of your fine site, I'm hoping this is getting the attention and resources it deserves within the GameStats organization.

- mindseye

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