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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
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I have noticed that some units do a much better job then other units at pacifying the populace and gaining their trust. In general the gun-ho units fair the worst. They're the ones who shoot at everything that looks suspicious or sometimes even hose a general area without seeing a specific target. These units tend to ignore Psyop and CA because "they aren't real infantry soldiers" and as a result they never get key communicators in the city to start seeing things their way, they don't bother setting up media assets because they see the locals as their enemies, and they tend to break down doors and treat detainees roughly.
To compare areas like Tikrit, Al Kut, and Kirkuk (all of which I've spent extensive time in) units tend to fire only at targets they can clearly identify as hostile (this is Army policy BTW), knock on doors when conducting searches instead of simply breaking them down, are slow to arrest people unless they are armed and clearly up to no good, and the leadership tries very hard to reach out to locals in order to win their trust. Most Iraqs, and Arabs in General, read extreamly biased media which blames the US and Israel for everything bad in the world. The smart leaders understand this and try to over come it by making human connections with local leaders.
I'm happy to say there are more good commanders then the shoot first and let god sort them out type. The Marines, sadly, seem to be the worst and their leadership doesn't seem to understand the difference between all out war and a low intensity conflict. There are clear psyochological reasons for why people who are attacked daily tend to lump all of "them" together as being bad guys but it is the leadership's job to keep their units focused and achieving the government's objectives. A significant minority of commanders have not been making the grade.
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Here is the first two paragraphs ofanother story about fighting in Anbar province today from the Washington Post.
Marines Kill 25 Iraqis in Intense Fighting in Ramadi
14 Americans Wounded, 25 Iraqis Captured
By Paul Garwood
Associated Press Writer
Thursday, July 22, 2004; 5:51 AM
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- U.S. Marines killed 25 insurgents and captured 25 others during several hours of fierce fighting in Ramadi, a hotbed of insurgents battling U.S. and Iraqi forces, the American military said Thursday.
The fighting Wednesday in Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, wounded 14 U.S. servicemen, but none sustained life threatening injuries and 10 have returned to duty, according to a Marine statement.
Link to the full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jul22.html
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johnj92131
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Here is the first two paragraphs ofanother story about fighting in Anbar province today from the Washington Post.
Marines Kill 25 Iraqis in Intense Fighting in Ramadi
14 Americans Wounded, 25 Iraqis Captured
By Paul Garwood
Associated Press Writer
Thursday, July 22, 2004; 5:51 AM
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- U.S. Marines killed 25 insurgents and captured 25 others during several hours of fierce fighting in Ramadi, a hotbed of insurgents battling U.S. and Iraqi forces, the American military said Thursday.
The fighting Wednesday in Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, wounded 14 U.S. servicemen, but none sustained life threatening injuries and 10 have returned to duty, according to a Marine statement.
Link to the full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jul22.html
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Auntie H
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[SIZE=1] . People in Arabia eat with their hands instead of silverware or if you are worried about getting dirty fingers then you use a piece of flat breed to scope up the food as you eat. It's a little weird to eat with your fingers from a community bowl where everyone else is also touching the food but I got over it fairly quickly.
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I hope you remembered t use your RIGHT hand only as in the Arab world the left hand is considered unclean as it is used to clean one's self after certain bodily functions!
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johnj92131
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Originally posted by Auntie H
I hope you remembered t use your RIGHT hand only as in the Arab world the left hand is considered unclean as it is used to clean one's self after certain bodily functions! |
That has to be a problem when you are naturally LEFT handed as Oerdin is!
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debeest
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Huh! What's up with the bottoms of feet?
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debeest
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Thanks!
You know, mouths are much dirtier than feet -- germwise, anyway. I'm sticking my tongue out at Saddam right now....
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Chemical Ollie
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Bored of this board
Jan 2002
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I have noticed that some units do a much better job then other units at pacifying the populace and gaining their trust. In general the gun-ho units fair the worst. They're the ones who shoot at everything that looks suspicious or sometimes even hose a general area without seeing a specific target. These units tend to ignore Psyop and CA because "they aren't real infantry soldiers" and as a result they never get key communicators in the city to start seeing things their way, they don't bother setting up media assets because they see the locals as their enemies, and they tend to break down doors and treat detainees roughly.
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This is what I have been saying on Apolyton for almost a year and a half, but most Americans won't listen. They think deploying the Marines as peace-keepers and use air strikes in urban areas is the way to win a war of liberation. 
USA, USA, USA!!!
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