02-05-2004 19:30									#1
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And let the tale continue.

The old thread is at...

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...113#post2944849

	02-05-2004 21:05									#2
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Well, let me jump in here. Inaugurate this spiffy clean thread.

Why do "we" only assassinate/capture the top dog ?
Why not just identify the top 10 or 100 and whack them all at once, wherever "we're" whacking ?

	02-05-2004 21:10									#3
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Are you talking about Sadr? The reason we haven't come looking for Sadr is because he has holed himself up in the Imam Ali Mosque which happens to be the Shi'a equivalent of the Vatican. If the mosque gets destroyed or damaged then just about every Shi'a in the world would be enraged. There is the added problem that intel reports have said Sadr has rigged the mosque to explode if we storm the city just so he can blame its destruction upon the evil infidels.

Does that sound like something a man of god would do?

	02-05-2004 21:14									#4
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I don't see where I mentioned a name.

Still, the Imam Ali Mosque would seem to be the ungodly.
Are they not the one's putting innocents in peril ?

Again, just expanding on your proposition.

	02-05-2004 22:55									#5
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For that comment about all the lefties coming out of the wordwork to blame every soldier for torture:

quote: US television network CBS broadcast images of American troops mistreating Iraqi prisoners, saying an army investigation had found "systemwide" problems in the handling of captured Iraqis.

Army investigation and systemwide. That's an authoritative source and a rather damning statement on their part.

But feel free to blame me.

	03-05-2004 00:40									#6
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Even if there are systemwide problems that doesn't mean they are on the magnitude of what happened in those photographs.

Secondly there was a sweeping investigation back in January so it may be that alot of the violations have been cleared up.

And finally there seems to be alot of fingerpointed going on between the reserves and the active duty military intelligence.

You certainly enjoy reporting the news though. A victory for your team right?

	03-05-2004 00:45									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Does that sound like something a man of god would do?

Not that I like Sadr much, but look at what your own leader is doing and saying in God's name.

	03-05-2004 01:05									#8
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Just a PSA:

If you want to save the first part of this thread for posterity, do it yourself, now, because the off-topic archives are strictly temporary.

	03-05-2004 01:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Just a PSA: If you want to save the first part of this thread for posterity, do it yourself, now, because the off-topic archives are strictly temporary.

I have made an MS Word file of the essentials from it and removed the spam. It's available for download on the last page of the other thread.

	03-05-2004 01:21									#10
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No spam?

	03-05-2004 03:07									#11
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Whatever happened to clean little assassination? A .50 cal sniper weapon is effective out to 2km.

	03-05-2004 05:05									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Are you talking about Sadr? The reason we haven't come looking for Sadr is because he has holed himself up in the Imam Ali Mosque which happens to be the Shi'a equivalent of the Vatican. If the mosque gets destroyed or damaged then just about every Shi'a in the world would be enraged. There is the added problem that intel reports have said Sadr has rigged the mosque to explode if we storm the city just so he can blame its destruction upon the evil infidels. Does that sound like something a man of god would do?

David Koresh? Better not let the ATF handle this one.

	03-05-2004 13:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Just a PSA: If you want to save the first part of this thread for posterity, do it yourself, now, because the off-topic archives are strictly temporary.

Good point. Chemical Ollie made a nice word document out of it which I have downloaded and e-mailed to myself. Now the whole thing will be preserved.

	03-05-2004 13:23									#14
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara For that comment about all the lefties coming out of the wordwork to blame every soldier for torture:

I didn't say all the lefties were coming out but I did not that numerous lefties have come out to blame the soldiers. I took perticular notice of Sava's comment that the US was no better then Saddam and commited similiar crimes.

quote: quote: US television network CBS broadcast images of American troops mistreating Iraqi prisoners, saying an army investigation had found "systemwide" problems in the handling of captured Iraqis. Army investigation and systemwide. That's an authoritative source and a rather damning statement on their part.

I guess it depends upon who you are talking to. U.S. denies widespread abuse at prison in Iraq

	03-05-2004 16:15									#15
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My convoy got pushed back yet another day so I'll have a few more hours of internet time. Also I just found out that our company commander's vehicle got hit by and IED on their way back to Tikrit after they dropped us off in Baghdad. The IED was buried in the road and they drove right over it. Both the CO and his driver were injured in the blast. They both had shrapnel in their legs and their ear drums were damaged by the sound of the explosion. Luckily, both should recover without long term health problems. Still it sucks.

	03-05-2004 16:31									#16
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I've lurked around constantly in both this thread and the past one, not posting anything because I don't really have anything important to say...

At the start of the 2nd thread I just would want to say a big 'thank-you' for posting all of this for Oerdin. It really gives a whole new reason to visit Apolyton when we have our own truthful and propaganda-free correspondant about the war in Iraq in here.

	03-05-2004 16:48									#17
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quote: Originally posted by VJ --- propaganda-free correspondant ---

Com'on, he's in PSYOPS. They write propaganda for aliving
But I agree.

Oerdin, this start made me go until I read further and saw that you haven't even left.

quote: My convoy got pushed back

Sorry to hear about your CO. I heard that 8 guys were killed by an IED on Friday south of Baghdad, isn't that the route you're going? (I hope the guerilla don't read this.)

	03-05-2004 17:01									#18
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Re: route south of Bagdad
Yeah, I though the same, and as I didn't know he was still stuck in Bagdad for a moment I thought it might have been his convoy. Even when you're in front of a screen with a warm cup of coffee, war gets a bit more 'real' when someone you've had arguments with might get home in a body bag.

PS: I guess spam=everything Kropotkin writes.

	03-05-2004 17:04									#19
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I'm not sure about the route. Everyone tries to vary routes as much as possible and often times we take routes which are not the most direct but which avoid problem areas if you know what I mean.

Also the semi-bad news continues. I just spoke with our old 1SG who got releaved and sent to Baghdad and he told me that two days ago one of the teams in the Kirkuk AO had a granade thrown at them when the Army was searching an Arab town near Huija. The granade was thrown from the top of a house and rolled under the unarmored hummer. The explosion destroyed much of the rear of the vehicle but no one was seriously harmed. The team chief suffered whiplash from the explosion and both he and the gunner complained about a buzzing in their ears. They're currently at Kirkuk Air Field doing tests to determine how badly damaged their eardrums are.

That makes two attacks on my company in 24 hours and five wounded in action over a one week period. Luckily, none of them have life threatening wounds.

	03-05-2004 17:09									#20
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So, what's the size of the 324th PO company and how is it organised? Or perhaps that's classified information...

	03-05-2004 19:46									#21
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When I heard about the 8 soldiers killed south of Baghdad I was rather worried.

	03-05-2004 19:53									#22
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Thanks for being worried everyone.

Kropotkin: I'm going to assume that you are a typical Swedish socialist and not a crazed Islamic militant. I can't go into specific numbers but in the infantry a company is composed of four platoons (plus a small HQ detachment), each platoon has four squads, each squad has four fire teams. Since there are about 8 people in a squad you would have 32 people in a platoon and 128 in a company plus 5-10 for the headquarters with a total of 130-140 in an infantry company.

My company is much smaller. They may start out with 100 people in the company but only about half to two thirds get deployed due to some being sick, injured, AWOL, pregnant, over weight, etc... From that 50-60 you start with you always lose a few more because people get injured, have family emergencies, or what not. So a unit like mine will always be smaller then a front line unit.

	03-05-2004 19:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Even if there are systemwide problems that doesn't mean they are on the magnitude of what happened in those photographs.

Yeah -- it's always better to get just one ball cut off, rather than both of them.

	03-05-2004 19:56									#24
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Your typical Psyop company will be broken up into an HQ detachment, a Product development detachment, and four Tactical Psyop detachments. Each TPD would typically have four three man Tactical Psyop teams who do most of the face to face psyop with locals, deliver leaflets and scripts, conduct the loudspeaker operations and all that stuff.

	03-05-2004 20:17									#25
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You could asume that I'm a typical swede that has been conscripted (signaleer, Battalion AT-platoon, Urban Rifle Bat.) so there's no real need for the general details about what a company is but that's for the info about a Psyop company.

	03-05-2004 21:13									#26
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Kill em all and let heaven sort em out.

	03-05-2004 21:19									#27
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara For that comment about all the lefties coming out of the wordwork to blame every soldier for torture: quote: US television network CBS broadcast images of American troops mistreating Iraqi prisoners, saying an army investigation had found "systemwide" problems in the handling of captured Iraqis. Army investigation and systemwide. That's an authoritative source and a rather damning statement on their part. But feel free to blame me.

"systemwide" problems in handling prisoners doesn't implicate every soldier, or even a large minority, as most don't handle prisoners at all, and "problems in handling" doesn't mean torture or abuse, but a whole range of problem from mundane administrative problems to the most severe issues such as the documented abuse.

	03-05-2004 21:27									#28
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Stop confusing things with facts that don't match their preconceived notions.

	03-05-2004 21:34									#29
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Stop confusing things with facts that don't match their preconceived notions.

Or you could just continue to comment on things you don't understand instead.

	03-05-2004 23:45									#30
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I want to tell Oerdin that all those who red his reports, and wait for them everyday, do not confuse a few barbarians wearing by accident the same uniform, with soldiers like him who deserve our respect and esteem.