03-05-2004 06:30									#1
	Turn 34, 2430 BC Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Orders from the Ministers:

ALL MINISTERS, please feel free to edit this post to enter in your orders.

Pre-Turn Actions


Military Orders
Offical SMC Thread: Exploration and Defence
the above link maps out plans for the next 3 or so moves. please carry it over until then, or until modified by myself, or until something craxy happens


Worker Orders
#1 Roads-R-Us, continue mining (Apolyton - WF#12)(2 turns)
#2 Fred & Barny, continue mining (Apolyton - WF#12)(2 turns)


City Orders
#1 Apolyton; WF#10,15 – Change to 10,15,18; Warrior(1)
#2 Hypnos; WF#6; Barrack(12)

Diplomacy To Be Completed

Any Other Things To Be Done
Science at 0%, advise we switch to CB at 90% (+0 gold) in 8 turns if the PAL alliance poll looks favorable.

Last edited by GodKing on 04-05-2004 at 04:44

	03-05-2004 06:45									#2
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Isn't this turn 34, not 44? Or did I get lost or something? (wouldn't be the first time).

	03-05-2004 07:03									#3
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Err, yes.

Can a Consul/mod please fix this?

	03-05-2004 07:48									#4
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Done.

	03-05-2004 10:51									#5
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note on worker actions:

When the mine is complete in 3 turns, we should again split up the workers.
One should go N and mine (takes 4 turns)
One should go N then NW onto the Sugar (1 turn). It then roads (3 turns). (Net is 4 turns)
Once both the road and mine are complete, they should reteam up to mine the sugar in 3 turns (net total for two mines and a road= 7 turns)

If we keep them teamed up, then in 3 turns when the current mine is done, they would both move N and mine (net 3 turns). Followed by moving NW (1 turn). Then mining (3 turns again) and finally roading (2 turns). This means 9 turns to do the same amount of work. (See! Look! I can be a builder too!)

(Ugh! Hit with Club!)

	03-05-2004 20:06									#6
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It takes 6 turns to mine with non industrial workers, Don.

When the roader has finishest roading, move it 3, then mine. one turn longer, but works just as well.

Last edited by Krill on 04-05-2004 at 02:24

	04-05-2004 02:22									#7
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I was going to forrest chop for the barracks guys, then go back and take care of the other shielded grassland and the sugar. However, I have not run the sim to see which way we get the most benifit (it is something I intend on doing the next couple days - but if anybody else gets to it... ). I want to garrison with a couple of hoplites ASAP and to free up our warriors to deal with those pesky barbs near our grapes.

	04-05-2004 04:52									#8
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Only one forrest chop necessary. I will split the workers after this build, one to go and roadto the sugar, the other will forrest chop for the barracks.

	04-05-2004 06:07									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Only one forrest chop necessary. I will split the workers after this build, one to go and roadto the sugar, the other will forrest chop for the barracks.

GK, what does the Warrior(1) mean for poly? I assume this means warrior in one turn (and barracks in Hypnos in 12). But the warrior will complete next turn, not turn after... and I don't see a way to squeeze ten spt out of poly even if we wanted to build another warrior.

Also, I would propose improving the bonus 3-3 of Apolyton before doing the sugar. With a mine & road, that tile will be 2, 2, and 2 for resources. The sugar will reach this with only a mine, as it already has 2 commerce; a road there will be temporarily wasted. By putting the sugar after the 3-3 bonus, we can be a little more efficient, delaying the wasted action of roading the sugar till later.

	05-05-2004 02:22									#10
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The one stands for turns til completion. It was my own personal note telling me that next turn, the build queue will be the same { warrior(0) } is what I have written on my note pad.

Thanks for the reminder of the despotism penalty. I really gotta get working again on that spread sheet from hell, to account for these type of factors.

	05-05-2004 06:38									#11
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Damn it. Warrior didn't complete.

Time to execute Apolyton's governor...

GK, any orders changes in light of this?

Uber, where does Grog go? I assume Anthea heals and Road Kill pops the hut.

	05-05-2004 06:56									#12
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You have the save? I don't? What up with the last two save emails?

	05-05-2004 07:18									#13
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grog north, everything else correct.

sorry, it's finals week. i'll be done after tomorrow

	06-05-2004 02:27									#14
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Klo and OCT_X

Either one of you is up to play.

I have some commitments tonight and probably wont be able to be in chat.

	06-05-2004 02:41									#15
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I'm in chat, will play soon.

Opinion seems to be for switching to CB, albeit perhaps narrowly... if you have opinions on that and haven't posted, do so soon.

	06-05-2004 02:59									#16
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switch to CB, we have enough resources to defend if they attack in the short term.

	06-05-2004 03:40									#17
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Results from 2430bc

Played at 10:20pm GMT in chat with Kloreep, Donegeal, WIA, and ET present using posted orders and some discussion in chat.

RESULTS IN ORDER

Changed WF in APOLYTON and HYPNOS. Switched who was working the cattle. HYPNOS has the cattle this turn, APOLYTON has the river bonus grass. Same total result in commerce, but this gives HYPNOS one extra shield and one extra food this turn.

Changed research to CEREMONIAL BURIAL

Changed tax rate so that we're at 100% science. CB in 5 turns.

Grog North (8). He spies the PAL warrior Dunedain.

Roadkill Warror moved East (6) to POP THAT HUT, but only pops out 3 barbarians. Such is our bad luck.

Anthea is a vet but is 2/4 so she skips this turn to heal.

Workers still in motion...

ISSUES OF NOTE
We're #2 in GNP, #3 in Pop and Mfg goods, #4 in Land Area and Family Size.

PAL's main city is down to size 4.
BAT is at 4.
CDG and GWT are both at size 1.

Godking needs to adjust his WF plans to deal with the change we made this turn to the WF of Apolyton and Hypnos

Apolyton's governor's screwup set us back a turn on the warrior. We'll also have to adjust our planning to deal with that mishap.

Tech change was done so that we can get a quick and easy tech and then get back on track with CDG towards researching Philosophy. CDG will receive Iron Working from us ... but it will be the IW given to us by PAL.

--Togas

	06-05-2004 07:17									#20
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dam barbs

We couldn't even get a lousy map

	06-05-2004 09:14									#21
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or a loosy settler

	06-05-2004 09:25									#22
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I don't want to say 'I told ya so,' but...

	06-05-2004 11:50									#23
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What went wrong with warrior?



We may be able to learn something from this fur future use.

	06-05-2004 16:32									#24
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The Governor is a ass. The nex pop didn't go onto the forest like hoped and thus we are one shield short of the warrior. Must remember to use the sim - that will tell us what tile is used by the new pop when growth happens.

For now however, surely Poly working 10, 12 and 18 where Hypnos works 18 would have been best? Hypnos gets the cows, but Poly stays at +2 food and 9 trade, whereas the way it was planned it gets only +1 food and 8 trade. Or do we definitely need less food in Poly as per a plan?

	06-05-2004 23:45									#25
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Not sure what you mean, MWIA... sorry, but I'm re-adapting to E_T's WF numbering system after not having to use it for a while.

Hypnos did work the cattle last turn if that's what you're wondering.

	06-05-2004 23:57									#26
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Did you tell the governor to maximize production?

	07-05-2004 00:06									#27
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Yes, it was on emphasize production from a previous turn.