03-05-2004 23:48									#1
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Just got this PM from bongo of GWT:

quote: Originally posted by bongo During the last couple of turns I have noticed that CGN has gifted several workers to Apolyton(12(?) on last count) When preparing GCAs jump, we failed in doing the same, and came to the conclusion that worker-gifting needed open trade lanes to work(in this case, harbors and navigation/magnetism). Are my assumption wrong, or has a workaround been discovered? Bongo

Our response?

	04-05-2004 00:05									#2
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I guess that we can tell them................

If the recipient civ (of the workers) has any city that could trade with the donor civ (of the workers) utilizing current technology/road/harbor/airport configuration, then the worker trade will execute from capitol to capitol without regard to the current technology/road/harbor/airport of the capitols themselves.

We controlled Orlando on the requisite turn.

	04-05-2004 04:07									#3
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Also...from the correspondence thread

quote: I'm afraid I've missed something. Things have been so silent at the embassy in Webringia that I have overlooked a letter of a week ago: quote: Just noticed that 6 netatolian workers are in Apolytons service. How did that happen? Normally, workers cannot be gifted to a civ on another continent pre-navigation/magnetism(we have tried). Unless said workers are still on CGNs territory or in the orlando area, I would say you have employed some sort of exploit to get them home. 6 workers are no big deal, but I don't like that you try to circumvent the ban on unit-jumping. Bongo, Krigsminister, GWT It wasn't an exploit, was it? Can anyone explain this so I can get it back to GWT. As far as I know trading workers was always possible in PTW. Aidun

I think GWT has a point.
Had it been posted that we needed a city on thier continent to receive the workers, then I would of spoken up against the trade.

	04-05-2004 04:58									#4
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Hmmmm, interesting. Can we just kill them and not worry about this diplomicy thing?

	04-05-2004 05:07									#5
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This was not unit jumping.

GWT gifted cities to GCA on their continent. CGN did they same for us. It's just that we gave back the city (Orlando) and GCA kept the cities GWT gave them. It's no big deal and we owe them no explanation. If they need to be told that no unit jumping took place then mongoose can tell them that. GWT does not need to know "how" we do things. Screw their curiosity.

	04-05-2004 05:51									#6
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This is an Actual Mechanic of this game, built in for this very purpose. I say that we tell them that they were purchased from CGN, at a very good price. They facilitated the mechanics for the move, along with the proper method of diplomatic transfer.

This isn't an exploit....and we tell them that.

E_T

	05-05-2004 05:39									#7
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quote: Originally posted by E_T This is an Actual Mechanic of this game, built in for this very purpose. I say that we tell them that they were purchased from CGN, at a very good price. They facilitated the mechanics for the move, along with the proper method of diplomatic transfer. This isn't an exploit....and we tell them that. E_T

Agreed

	05-05-2004 07:15									#8
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Its a mechanic of the game. But the mechanic requires a trade route which would not of existed without a temporary city swap.

Try getting an AI to agree to a temporary city swap to trade workers with you.


I honestly supported this on the grounds that it was a mechanic of the game and thus not an exploit when it was discussed, but I didn't know it required an open trade route and that we'd need to city swap to do it.

Given that...I'm leaning towards it being just another form of unit warping and thus wrong.

	05-05-2004 08:17									#9
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Hell... I want those workers as much as the next guy, but I have to agree with wervdon.

It was not posted that we will need a city on their continent for the transaction to work.

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	05-05-2004 12:01									#10
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I need to get back to him... I'm just going to be upfront about the issue.

	05-05-2004 18:12									#11
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It's somewhat questionable use of a game mechanic, but IMO nowhere near as bad as teleporting GCA's units (including an army) was. So I don't see how they have any right to ***** about it.

Just explain what we did.

-Arrian

	06-05-2004 03:50									#12
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Just frankly explain what we did if pressed. Don't try to justify it. Let them ***** and moan, enough already!

--Togas