04-05-2004 01:03									#1
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When does the Civil DIsorder popup give the choice "zoom to CITY"? and when does the popup not give that choice?

Thanks

	04-05-2004 01:42									#2
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I don't think even the game designers know

	04-05-2004 02:35									#3
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quote: Originally posted by saturn When does the Civil DIsorder popup give the choice "zoom to CITY"? and when does the popup not give that choice? Thanks

Depending on patches? Direction of the wind?

	04-05-2004 05:51									#4
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I could be wrong, but isn't the choice of having 'civil disorder pop-ups' in player preferences?

	04-05-2004 07:54									#5
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If the disorder can be quelled by making a few entertainers without starvation, you get the three choices (one of them "Give them some entertainment"). If starvation would ensue by making entertainers, you get only two choices (one of them "zoom to city"), presumably so you can choose between rioting and starvation.

Catt

	04-05-2004 07:59									#6
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Ah, thanks for that Catt. I always wondered why sometimes you got 2 and other times 3 choices.

	04-05-2004 08:07									#7
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You are not suppose to let it get to that point. Check cities with grown to se if they have more unhappy faces than they have happy ones.

Use F1 if you have too many cities to keep track of.

	04-05-2004 11:17									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Catt If the disorder can be quelled by making a few entertainers without starvation, you get the three choices (one of them "Give them some entertainment"). If starvation would ensue by making entertainers, you get only two choices (one of them "zoom to city"), presumably so you can choose between rioting and starvation. Catt

ahhh, so there is a method to that madness

I never knew that.

	04-05-2004 11:34									#9
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Thanks Catt.

	05-05-2004 00:07									#10
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Does anyone ever use "give them some entertainment"?

	05-05-2004 01:24									#11
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Yes, you may have no choice, but to give them some entertainment at times.

	05-05-2004 02:53									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Does anyone ever use "give them some entertainment"?

All the time.

	05-05-2004 03:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Does anyone ever use "give them some entertainment"?

I always zoom to the city and micromanage the citizen placement. When faced with massive, starvation-inducing rioting (i.e., loss of multiple luxuries due to outbreak of multiple wars simultaneously), I'll ignore the disorder until I can work with sliders to try and alleviate enough rioting to make specilists viable ot to quell outright the dissent.

Catt

	05-05-2004 05:18									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Does anyone ever use "give them some entertainment"?

I always use this. Am I doing something wrong?

	05-05-2004 07:54									#15
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I used to, but almost never anymore. Disorder is a trigger for me to pause, and examine the state of my empire and citizens. Exception: 75-100 cities or more, and then I usually am in the midst of some kinda dreadnaught domination play, and will just assign entertainers to non-core cities just to keep up the pace of play.

	05-05-2004 07:56									#16
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75 cities?

I'm not a heavy micromanager. I play my games fast. I don't like getting bogged down managing cities. I like building things, terraforming, and conquering things.

Although using entertainers does have it's limitations. Mainly with regards to war weariness. War weariness can get so bad in my games sometimes. Entertainers don't do ****.

	06-05-2004 09:16									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Xorbon I could be wrong, but isn't the choice of having 'civil disorder pop-ups' in player preferences?

Thats what I thought.

	07-05-2004 07:16									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Thats what I thought.

Turns out I misread the original question though.

	07-05-2004 09:24									#19
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I'm with Catt. Wait until the production phase is over (so never click "give 'em some entertainment"), then check to see if it's an isolated case (entertainers) or whether it's affecting your whole empire because of WW or lost luxuries. If the latter, then play with the slider a little so that your core cities are ok and then use entertainers for the rest. Slider use will often not help your farthest flung cities at all because of huge corruption, so you have to use entertainers there until you can rush a Marketplace and get the benefit of the extra happy faces.

One way I'm often caught is when I'm researching at a deficit and a luxury deal comes up for renegotiation. Because the AI is so unfair, you are often paying gpt for the luxury even when you give one in return. But if you are making negative gpt when renegotiation comes up, the AI won't accept any gpt from you. Unless you can give techs or cash, you have to drop the deal and come back to it in your turn....meanwhile, you can get some disorder. The only way around it is to keep track of all your deals and make sure you're not researching at a deficit the turn before one expires.

	07-05-2004 09:36									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 One way I'm often caught is when I'm researching at a deficit and a luxury deal comes up for renegotiation. Because the AI is so unfair, you are often paying gpt for the luxury even when you give one in return. But if you are making negative gpt when renegotiation comes up, the AI won't accept any gpt from you. Unless you can give techs or cash, you have to drop the deal and come back to it in your turn....meanwhile, you can get some disorder. The only way around it is to keep track of all your deals and make sure you're not researching at a deficit the turn before one expires.

They are not necessarily unfair, they understand the the lux they are given you is worth more to you than the one you are given them is to them.

Set your research down before making a trade offer, so you will have the cash to offer. After the deal, set it back to the previous level.

	07-05-2004 09:52									#21
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good trick !!!!

	07-05-2004 18:35									#22
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Doesn't anyone else just use the city governers to handle happiness? If you do that, you never have cities in disorder. Who cares if pop dies... it'll grow back. Damn humans breed like flies!

	07-05-2004 19:47									#23
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Pop is power, if I am at over 21 pop then I may not care. If you let the gov manage happiness. You will lose income and shileds as well as food.

Note the first time you would go to having more unhappy pop than happy. What the gov does is to make an entertainer. This cost you production and can be the difference between making that unit or that wonder.

This will be more painful as you move up in difficulty.

	07-05-2004 22:23									#24
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Hmmm... I don't have the game handy right now, but can't you tell the governers managing pop to emphasize food, shields, or gold? If you're worried about your production, tell them to emphasize shields.

	07-05-2004 23:20									#25
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I find governors to be like their real life counterparts - they live in a dream world and have no idea what I or the populace wants

	08-05-2004 03:22									#26
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Simple solution. I put the governor on and kick him out whenever I want to make changes. Used to be all governor, but refined through poly

	08-05-2004 12:07									#27
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hmm. So perhaps this is why I have trouble competing at the higher levels.

Exactly how much commerce am I losing by assigning entertainers rather than adjusting the sliders. I never really adjust the luxery slider much. Usually 10%, no more than 20% when I'm in democracy.

Perhaps this is a key part of the game I'm missing out on.

	09-05-2004 01:15									#28
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The problem isn't so much not using the lux slider as allowing the entertainers. And hence began my taste for cathedrals
See, every specialist is a guy not working a square. And when you remember only worked squares count in building bonuses as well...every lost square is a big drain. Once I solved that...then I found I could compete for wonders, trade came easier, even still being able to build the military I wanted on top of all that

Anyway - try it out, it has to fit with your style ot be any good

	09-05-2004 04:59									#29
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 They are not necessarily unfair, they understand the the lux they are given you is worth more to you than the one you are given them is to them. Set your research down before making a trade offer, so you will have the cash to offer. After the deal, set it back to the previous level.

But that's like saying the AI charges exorbitant prices for techs because the tech is worth more to the human. It's not because the luxuries are worth more - it's because the programmed routines at higher difficulty levels tell the AI to offer extremely unfair deals.

My point about the disorder was that unless you are aware of when your deal expires and can turn the slider down beforehand, you can be caught since you will have negative gpt when the popup comes and the AI will not renew (without other acceptable things to offer)...which can throw you into disorder before you have a chance to re-set your slider and do the deal.

	09-05-2004 07:00									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 But that's like saying the AI charges exorbitant prices for techs because the tech is worth more to the human. It's not because the luxuries are worth more - it's because the programmed routines at higher difficulty levels tell the AI to offer extremely unfair deals.

As far as I know, the AI values luxuries the same way at every level. Roughly speaking, each luxury is valued by the number of happy faces it will produce in the empire. Therefore, lots of cities means a luxury is worth more (more happy faces across the empire). Lots of cities with markets and many luxuries already under control means each subsequent luxury is worth more (marketplace effect on luxuries). If you play an OCC or very small empire game, you might be surprised at the deals you can get from a much larger AI -- oh the satisfaction when one human luxury happens to be worth two AI luxuries.

Catt