06-05-2004 04:31									#1
	Consul's Poll - 1740 AD Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

We will soon be able to get off this island and search for the lands that must exist elsewhere (there have been passing ships of strange people).

Which direction should we explore first?

	06-05-2004 11:10									#2
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I have voted banana. This means I have no idea which direction to explore in and believe our wise consul's coin is luckier than mine. Perhaps we could head in the direction that the last sighted vessel appeared to come from - whichever that was.

RJM at Sleeper's

	06-05-2004 16:45									#3
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Wouldn't we want to avoid land we suspect is already occupied?

	06-05-2004 17:27									#4
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Since the vessels spotted during my tenure were heading West - East to our North, I suggest towards the South of our land.

	06-05-2004 23:09									#5
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That would make sense to me.

	07-05-2004 11:08									#6
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Wouldn't we want to avoid land we suspect is already occupied?

I suppose it depends on whether we want to find:

a) virgin territory on which we can settle

b) occupied territory that we can conquer

c) cities that we can trade with.

The problem with heading in the opposite direction to the suspected land is that it could be a much longer journey with no guarantee that any land we find will be un-occupied.

But this citizen is happy to leave the decision to our wise consul.

RJM at Sleeper's

	07-05-2004 15:59									#7
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Well, it seems to me that most discussion has involved establishing some additional cities. So I would think virgin terriroy would be best. Of course, it is possible there is none and that we are surrounded by populous civs. We may have to search for other islands, penninsula tips, or small unoccupied parts of other civs' territories. We just won't know till we get out there and look around.

	08-05-2004 07:17									#8
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And finding other civs isn't all bad.... Think of the caravan trade income!

	08-05-2004 07:17									#9
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And finding other civs isn't all bad.... Think of the caravan trade income!

	08-05-2004 11:23									#10
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In anycase, it looks as if the poll will give the consul complete freedom.

(Get out your 8 sided dice left over from your D&D days!)

RJM at Sleeper's

	08-05-2004 16:23									#11
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I would hope my 'Southwest' would effectively count for a vote for 'South' in this situation.

	08-05-2004 21:08									#12
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My thought is that we should find some unoccupied land to found a couple of new cities, and while those are getting established use the Caravel to send a couple of Caravans to large other-civ cities for $$$ and science beakers.

	08-05-2004 22:26									#13
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I voted Banana as I do not like the options of picking one direction. I believe we should explore in a circular pattern, exploring as much territory as possible around our island. In this way we will find the closest landmass which I think should be our priority.

Also, with the "finger" of ocean which someone ?Zedd? explored previously, it would be simple to go clockwise and counterclockwise in a "C" pattern to do so.

	08-05-2004 22:31									#14
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Well, we have to pick *some* direction to go to first. Certainly, we want to explore in all direction eventually. But which direction do you want me to go on the initial voyage of the Apolyton Ship "AS Minnow"?

	08-05-2004 22:34									#15
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Posting a map with my recommendation shortly........

	08-05-2004 22:35									#16
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I should also point out that the banana vote suggests we should stay at home and not explore. If anyone wants to change that by stating a directional preference, they can do it by posting. Otherwise, we might just stay at home on our island. Voting has consequences and I will follow them even if the Citizens' advice is bad!

I am only your humble representative, after all.

	08-05-2004 22:51									#17
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Here is what I propose, (and I suppose to be literal, the direction I suggest is "Southeast" but my point is that we don't go in one direction but explore around the island (I would hate for us to pick a direction and move 15-20 squares in that direction and just miss an island 10 squares away).
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=2061_Exploring.jpg

Obviously the arrow does not follow actual number of squares, but I think you get the idea, with the point being uncovering the maximum amount of area possible.

Note for Consul Cavebear: Actually a vote for Banana does not mean a vote to not move (which could have been an option) but rather not wanting any of the options given. The Circular pattern I suggested above is not a new idea, but rather one which I am reitterating from someones suggestion early in the game. I had hoped it would be an option in the poll.

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	08-05-2004 23:42									#18
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I don't think it beneficial to explore all the ocean squares around our island to see the closest land. For one thing, it would be inefficient. For another, we want a place to build a few cities.

	09-05-2004 00:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear I don't think it beneficial to explore all the ocean squares around our island to see the closest land. For one thing, it would be inefficient. For another, we want a place to build a few cities.

Exploring "all the squares" would indeed be inefficient (no need to adjust the path of the boat to explore one or two blackened squares), but what would truly be inefficient would be to move in a given direction (south for example) for 20 squares before finding land, landing our "explorers" there, and settling our second city, and discovering later that there was a land mass 10 squares away. One point we in agreement on, is that we "want a place to build a few cities", the question is, what is the quickest way to find that land mass. Another point we are in agreement on is that we need to explore (no xenophobs in this game ). Perhaps our most efficient search pattern would involve the fact that we know there is no land within ?7? squares, so if we do search in a circular pattern, that we start out 7-10 squares away??

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	09-05-2004 11:27									#20
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear I should also point out that the banana vote suggests we should stay at home and not explore. If anyone wants to change that by stating a directional preference, they can do it by posting. Otherwise, we might just stay at home on our island. Voting has consequences and I will follow them even if the Citizens' advice is bad! I am only your humble representative, after all.

I don't think that's what a banana vote means. It simply means that the voter has no preference among the options in the poll - this could be because they dislike all options or because they like the options equally.

Staying at home because 2 citizens voted for the banana might lead the those who do not appreciate your fine qualities to suspect a lack of leadership.

RJM at Sleeper's

	09-05-2004 22:25									#21
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You have convinced me to consider the whole of the votes and not regard the "banana" votes too literally. .

Last edited by cavebear on 11-05-2004 at 16:38

	10-05-2004 17:36									#22
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to little too late maybe but for my vote I think east is the best option, and I would also try to find a single city site near a "friendly" AI first. our lowly reputation will likely make them willing to leave us for a time, and the trade bonus would be a needed boost. Now that we can celebrate at size 12 be can crank out settlers as fast as the shields will allow and grow back the next turn. Plus that give us another city to help with caravel production, of course first priority there would have to be defenders and city walls.