07-05-2004 12:50									#1
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Idea:

Have a civ that can build cities in mountains and maybe get some extra bonuses (food I guess) on mountains. Together with the defense bonus it would be a nice feat....

...I guess....

	07-05-2004 12:52									#2
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the Incas can in the Mesoamerica scenario. (although I think that particlular scenario allows every civ to build on mountains). I'm not sure if that can be restricted to one civ.

	07-05-2004 13:14									#3
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With that, it is actually a little more FUN to also allow building cities smack on top of volcanos! Try it! There is nothing like dissappearing cities, especially when it is one of your rivals!

And hey, and it is even historically accurate, what a plus.

	08-05-2004 00:38									#4
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Why do you want to build cities on mountains?

Defensive bonus is nice, but why else?

Not a lot of food in mountains.

	08-05-2004 00:44									#5
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No er, not until you mod it a little.

	08-05-2004 02:27									#6
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Mountain Goat pie all round!!!!!!

	08-05-2004 02:33									#7
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The food from a city centre doesn't depend on the underlaying terrain - mountain cities still collect 2 food.

Whether terrain is settleable is a global switch - all civs can or none.

There's a possible workaround, tho: set the settlers of the civs not supposed to have mountain cites as wheeled, and keep mountains impassable to wheeled. To be foolproof, you'd also have to forbid roads on mountains, otherwise the wheeled settlers can still get there if someone builds a road there first, but the AI isn't smart enough to do that. Players will, of course.

	08-05-2004 02:56									#8
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On a historical fact, the Incas (that builded cities in mountains) had irrigation terraces from where they collected food. In the Machu Picchu ruins you can see them clearly.

Last edited by Chilean President™ on 08-05-2004 at 03:06

	08-05-2004 03:01									#9
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Theres no land on Earth thats totally without food capability, not even polar ice caps or the hottest deserts. But im not sure how much a single food icon in the game is meant to represent.

	08-05-2004 03:04									#10
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Clearly no specific amount, since each citizen eats the same number despite representing varying numbers of people.

While you can gather a bit of food even on polar ice caps, it's way too little to support the tiniest city. Same goes for any reasonably dry desert.

	08-05-2004 03:12									#11
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It could support a settlement, eskimos manage it at the poles anyhow. Certainly something the size of a village would be out of the question though

	08-05-2004 03:25									#12
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It doesn't. The Eskimoes are dependant on sea foods for a large proportion of their caloric needs.

	08-05-2004 05:16									#13
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Your point, Last Conformist is a good one. In modding I didn't put a bunch of food for Mountains tiles, rather I upped everyting else, coast, hills, resources etc. So when one plops a city on a mountain tile it is the tiles close by returning much, that makes it feasible. The reason, I guess is to keep some practical thinking in the set-up. Increases the feeling of the whole thing being at least somewhat plausible.

	08-05-2004 08:49									#14
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can you imagine how unstabilizing the defensive bonus on a mountian is?

A spearman forted on a mountian city with a wall has a defense of 7.5. Not even an Immortal can crack that consistently. (now imagine cheap Enkidus)

	08-05-2004 09:09									#15
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Your completely right of course! Pray it is next to or on a Volcano! Well, otherwise, from a modder's, tinker's point of view, this 'mountain defensive quandary' just sets the game afoot. For it gives handy license to create 'a whole line of Mountain busters'!

	09-05-2004 01:19									#16
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Break out the arty time
This is one time cats WOULD earn their keep

	09-05-2004 01:24									#17
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"Artillery Bombardment Failed"

	09-05-2004 01:57									#18
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Well then just send up the volunteers to weaken the defenders, promise them some 'support' later... really trust me.

	09-05-2004 14:49									#19
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Shades of Civ2 -- where is Alexander's Horse when you need him?

	09-05-2004 14:52									#20
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I suppose I should tack this on.

	09-05-2004 16:08									#21
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Well, this being CivIII, you've got complete control of where cities can be built. You could restrict them to marshes if you so wish.

	09-05-2004 16:35									#22
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First thing I did when I got CivIIIPTW was to re-enable mountain cities.

	09-05-2004 18:11									#23
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Personally, I rather like the default setting wrt mountains.