08-05-2004 07:55									#1
	So what's the deal with the AI's galley? another cheat? Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Just look at this screenshot. I know that several time a galley may navigate on ocean for a couple of turns, but this time they did it for 3 turns one of them and the other one 4 turns this is too much of a cheat for the AI

EDIT: that caravel also should be sunked.. 3 turns on ocean

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	08-05-2004 08:03									#2
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um... can't galleys travel in ocean freely after you have Navigation or Magnetism?

	08-05-2004 08:05									#3
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If you can build a Frigate then you have Navigation, which means that all ships can sail on oceans safely, including Galleys. So chances are the other civ has Navigation as well.

Oops, I meant Magnetism.

	08-05-2004 08:11									#4
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ohh.. ok.. didn't know about it. Thanks guys

Well, I do like that dutch fleet near my coast, they shall be erased

	08-05-2004 08:42									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Chilean President Well, I do like that dutch fleet near my coast, they shall be erased

That's the spirit

	08-05-2004 13:57									#6
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Glad you worked that out

I'm only 99.9% sure here but the AI will actually NEVER leave safe waters. Not to cross a small gap, not to take out units that sits on sea tiles.

The last on is very close to a human cheat, in a current game (1.15b) I built the lighthouse which allows my galleys to travel sea squares. Strangely enough, the AI never attacked my galleys as long as they ended their turn in the sea, not even when they would be able to retreat to the coast after attacking

	08-05-2004 20:43									#7
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bongo: The AI's refusal to go on unsafe tiles have been confirmed by Firaxians.

	08-05-2004 22:27									#8
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Oops, there goes the last 0.1% of my uncertainity

Thanks btw

	09-05-2004 00:12									#9
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I've actually seen the AI go on unsafe tiles, much the same way a human will, to explore further out in to the ocean or to cross a gap that can be crossed in one turn. However, they will never risk their ships by ending on unsafe tiles, and thus can't suicide like humans. Perhaps there's something against attacking on to an unsafe tile, but I've seen other temporarily unsafe moves.

	09-05-2004 01:03									#10
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Verifiable by the fact that the goto-pathfinder will count/allow unsafe tiles in your moves, so long as you are not ENDING there. I'm sure I can remember having seen that, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been certain AND wrong

	09-05-2004 01:33									#11
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I've seen that a hundred times. But I swear i've been sold world maps by the AI that have a line across the ocean made visible by one of their ships which has mysteriously ended, even if ive purchased a new copy of the map a couple of turns later its been the same.

Either I recall wrong, the ship turned round, or the AI can send ships on exploration missions.

	09-05-2004 06:13									#12
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At least in this game, the AI did NOT attack my galleys that were within reach but on unsafe tiles. The AI normally don't miss an opportunity with a 50% success rate (I believe some testers showed the AI will not attack when below 10% probable sucess rate on a single attack)

	09-05-2004 23:40									#13
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Where'd you get the cool ship graphics?

	09-05-2004 23:59									#14
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CFC's Muliple Units library

	10-05-2004 03:15									#15
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*smack myself*

I've looked at that picture each time I've looked at this thread, and only after Kuciwalker's comment did I realize that it used munits ...