09-05-2004 15:29									#1
	Graphics files for Stefan Härtel's Alexander the Great scenario Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Stefan Härtel has very kindly given me permission to post these alternative graphics files for his superb 'Conquests of Alexander the Great' scenario. The main version 3.0 scenario files are available at his site here:

http://www.alexanderthegreat.de/civ2/Civ2engl.html

I have made new units, interface, terrain and cities graphics files:

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	09-05-2004 15:33									#2
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The units are by me, BeBro and Stefan. The terrain is largely pinched from Favoured Flight and Catfish's ToT compilation, with a few bits and bobs by me. I have drawn new Persian and Macedonian cities, while the Indian cities are Stefan's and the Greek cities are by BeBro.

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	09-05-2004 15:40									#3
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I didn't even know there was a "Quest For Asia 3.0". If Stefan doesn't disagree, I'll upload to the SCS the scenario and the alternative gfx

Beautiful units BTW... as usual

	09-05-2004 15:49									#4
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I'm a lazzy man, but I think I'll never desing a scen if my graphics are to be as good as these.

	09-05-2004 15:54									#5
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They can be... just steal them as I've always done

	09-05-2004 15:55									#6
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quote: I didn't even know there was a "Quest For Asia 3.0". If Stefan doesn't disagree, I'll upload to the SCS the scenario and the alternative gfx

Sure

	09-05-2004 18:17									#7
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@fairline:
superbe artwork , it's quite boring repeat it...

@stefan:
your scenario was already really great (and not for the surname of Alexander ). IMHO fairline has given a quality contribution to make it quite re-born, greeks called it 'palingenesis'...

	09-05-2004 18:43									#8
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As Tom posted in CDG, the link to the scen is broken

	09-05-2004 18:59									#9
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Yaro: The link on Stefan's site works if you click on the 'September 19th' update (although the 'scenarios' link is dead):

http://www.geocities.com/intaphernes/Alexe.html

Just tried it and the scenario DL's fine

Thanks all for the comments

	09-05-2004 19:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Gagliaudo @stefan: your scenario was already really great

Absolutely

	09-05-2004 21:01									#11
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Tremendous.

It's the only word I can use for this scenario!

	09-05-2004 22:03									#12
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ops, sorry and thanks, fairline

	09-05-2004 22:32									#13
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News item? News item!!!

	09-05-2004 23:48									#14
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fairline: Sorry for not noticing this before, but the Advanced Phalanx units should have a sword instead of a sarissa (lance). I included that unit mainly because of the reformation of the Phalanges during the Central Asian campaign, and the most important aspect was the removal of the sarissa.

	10-05-2004 01:30									#15
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Here's a Macedonian with just a sword Stefan. Sorry - I should have used your unit as a guide here!

I know that the phalanx was issued with new linen cuirasses during the Asia campaign (I think Arrian mentions cuirasses without backplates in order to discourage running from the enemy!), but I hadn't read that the sarissa was replaced. How did the phalanx defeat the indian elephants at the Hydaspes without them? Also, the phalanx was certainly armed with even longer pikes (18ft or so?) during the Successor period...

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	10-05-2004 01:36									#16
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I'm not too sure about whether it was reintroduced in India. I'm sure Arrian mentions something about this, but I haven't read his work entirely. What I know for sure is that the sarissas were dropped in Central Asia, because they were too much of an obstacle in mountain warfare.
When the Macedonians returned to more familiar terrain, they probably reintroduced the sarissa.

	10-05-2004 01:43									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel What I know for sure is that the sarissas were dropped in Central Asia, because they were too much of an obstacle in mountain warfare. When the Macedonians returned to more familiar terrain, they probably reintroduced the sarissa.

That would certainly make sense. I'll dig out my copy of Arrian for a little bed-time reading, I think!

	10-05-2004 02:00									#18
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Weaponry details aside, it certainly is a major aesthetic improvement for the scenario!

	10-05-2004 17:40									#19
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It looks very nice although a bit too tot-like? (or is it just me? possibly)

Gagliaudo: its Paligennesis, two 'symphona' dont go together when they are in different words synthesising into one. It is also Paligennesia

hm, a question to Stefan (i am sure he will know, with all those persian scenarios!)

Which persian king ordered his servant to remind him everyday of the Athenians? I thought it was Cyros (Cyrus) but i am not sure. The original phrase (in greek at least) was "Memnesthai tois Athenaiois" ("Remember the Athenians"). I once wrote a short story using that situation as a symbol for phychological things

	10-05-2004 18:25									#20
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quote: Weaponry details aside, it certainly is a major aesthetic improvement for the scenario!

That's a truth

quote: hm, a question to Stefan (i am sure he will know, with all those persian scenarios!) Which persian king ordered his servant to remind him everyday of the Athenians? I thought it was Cyros (Cyrus) but i am not sure. The original phrase (in greek at least) was "Memnesthai tois Athenaiois" ("Remember the Athenians"). I once wrote a short story using that situation as a symbol for phychological things

It was Dareios I. According to Herodotos, he ordered this because the Athenians supported the Milesians in the Ionian Revolt.

All: I noticed that there's a spelling error in the events.txt (it's not vital, but annoying). Rename "Baktra" into "Bactra".

	10-05-2004 18:26									#21
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@varwnos:
hey, Hellen, right, but what do you think about PALIGGENESIS... ??? May it go ?
Stefan will answer better, i try: Dareios I.
If this isn't right one, Xerses I.
D or X, I'm sure.

Bye all you!

	10-05-2004 18:46									#22
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Beat ya to it

	10-05-2004 19:20									#23
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It cannot be Paliggenesis either, a double Gamma makes a "g" sound, as in "garden".
But i am sure that your greek are far better than my infinitesimal latin
Ego certe lavoro hic et lavoro in meipso!

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	10-05-2004 19:53									#24
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@varwnos:
I don't think so, I've really difficult with greek, hope my former prof won't know my degeneration
I really thought double gamma had the sound of 'ng', in ancient greek. But, repeating, YOU are the HELLEN...
I'm just a poor "Hesperian" guy...

@stefan:
I wrote anything I hadn't to write ?
I apologize, the question was for you...

	10-05-2004 20:09									#25
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I cannot say for sure if in ancient greek double gamma had an ng sound, since we didnt learn a lot of ancient greek, only in two years in late highschool, and at the time i didnt play much attention, but it sounds strange (who knows though)

Anyway i was wrong about the rule of the two symphona, for example Pangaia (Pangea) has n + g. But Palingennesia just doesn't sound right (perhaps a cypriot would call it that though, they are in the habbit of filling everything with n's)

Aren't you Italian? i prefer to think that greeks and italians aren't that different, una facia una racia? (certainly i misspelled that) Besides, what brings people together isn't race, but character, and interests

	10-05-2004 22:02									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel fairline: Sorry for not noticing this before, but the Advanced Phalanx units should have a sword instead of a sarissa (lance). I included that unit mainly because of the reformation of the Phalanges during the Central Asian campaign, and the most important aspect was the removal of the sarissa.

Here's a new zip with the advanced phalanx unit minus the sarissa and a thracian peltast as the Mak mercenary unit:

	10-05-2004 22:12									#27
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Stefan, I was trying to DL 'Artaxerxes' from your site (another of my favourites lost in the pc blow-up) and the link is dead. Is the version at the Spanish site the latest one?

EDIT: typo

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	10-05-2004 22:13									#28
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Everyone should own this masterwork!

	10-05-2004 22:17									#29
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EDIT : pressed the wrong bleeding button. Doh!

	10-05-2004 22:17									#30
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Yes, the version on the Spanish site is the latest one. I'd love to see it with new great graphics