13-05-2004 04:34									#31
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That second screen looks pretty useless so far.

	13-05-2004 07:13									#32
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I think it has its purpose, it just needs to be xplained. If the first screen is an out of control purely visual eye candy thing without a randomly rotatiing camera, as it appears, then the second screeen is quite important, but that soundsl ike it would really suck.

	13-05-2004 07:54									#33
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quote: That second screen looks pretty useless so far.

It's great for games with maps, since you don't want to constantly turn away from the game to see where you are on the map. And, of course it leave the main screen for the game, while the bottom screen can have most of the interface as well.

	13-05-2004 08:05									#34
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actually that does look pretty cool, as long as its implemented well...I don't want games to use it but it feel like it was just tacked on.

	13-05-2004 08:06									#35
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Can't one just press Start?
I'm sorry, but if its this big huge bulky thing, jacking up the cost, etc etc for another screen which will just have maps....Not even worth it

PSP looks more attractive

	13-05-2004 08:26									#36
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Tass! Gasp your avatar! OMG! asses out: How can you be such a traitor! That fascist tried to ally w/ Hitler! Communism UBER ALLES!

	13-05-2004 08:39									#37
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Bipolarbear is thrown out of the party

	13-05-2004 11:34									#38
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Stalin overtook Lenin and f***ed Russia royally! He was a fascist, not a friggin commie. Fascist is the polar(bipolar ) oposite of communism! You are thrown out of the party!

	13-05-2004 17:44									#39
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quote: Can't one just press Start?

It's annoying to have to turn away from the gameplay just to see the map.

quote: if its this big huge bulky thing, jacking up the cost

First, it ain't bulky. Second, it's only going to be $150! Which is only $50 greater than a GBA, and of course the DS will be able to play 64 bit games (like from Nintendo 64, etc). So it's very cheap. The PSP will likely be much more expensive.

	13-05-2004 18:18									#40
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that 2nd screen probably is useless - it's doubtful that machine has enough power life and graphics power to use it well. except for the gaint map everything else used to be overlayed on the main mario screen without problems. btw who needs/wants a map when they play mario? even map intensive games like metroid are fine with one screen. when you are looking at some gaint map you don't want to have to keep looking back and forth to the main game because it's not paused. i really can't think up any compelling usage unless you are going to play co-op on one of those things with 2 players.

nintendo has lost their way.

	13-05-2004 18:35									#41
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when ur playing games like doom, its ****ing annoying to look at a map while being chased by 4 pink demons in a maze.

but i somewhat agree with you. why not just die 78 times until u memorize the maze inside and out? no really, that is the only you could have done it in the old days anyway...

kids today are too soft. cant handle that ****!

	13-05-2004 18:40									#42
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where are my dudes that play tekken in poly? bustamike? drspike?

Gameplay vid is released and it looooooks soooooooo goooooooooooood. Oh and peepz at tz.com already started analyzing the vi for any technical game play aspect already... and the game mechanics havent even been published yet!
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...?threadid=64370

	13-05-2004 18:41									#43
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Actually, I'd say it was less them scaring people away than it was a certain Microsoft throwing certain $$$ their way.

Yeah!

Except, Silicon Knights, for example, said point-blank the reason they left Nintendo 2nd party status was constant pressure to dumb their games down. Silicon Knights has no relationship with MS right now, so I'd doubt it was MS throwing money their way...

	13-05-2004 18:50									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Although its nice to see the latest sales figures for Nintendo (14m GCs sold) vs Microsoft (13.5m XBoxes sold) and Sony (72m PS2s sold) Hmm... -Jam

Those sound like the press release numbers from either Sony or Nintendo, no? The ones where "sold" means "shipped to retailers" for Sony or Nintendo's numbers, and the other numbers they cherry-pick from anaylsts who low-ball estimations...

What's interesting is the current sales momentum: http://bink.nu/DesktopModules/Artic...?ArticleID=1734

quote: MICROSOFT'S Xbox price cut at AU$249 has appeared to pay off, with the company claiming its first ever weekly sales overreaching its rival Sony PlayStation 2. 2 weeks ago Xbox took 50 per cent of the "next generation" console market, 15 per cent ahead of PlayStation2. Nintendo's GameCube accounted for 7 per cent of sales. The Xbox win has been a long time coming, with the PlayStation 2 and Xbox consoles fighting a pitched battle for more than two years. Approximately 500,000 Xbox consoles have been sold in Australia, Microsoft said. However, with more than one million sold PlayStation 2's sold locally, Microsoft has conceded that it will probably never match the PlayStation 2's large lead in overall console numbers.

Xboxes are selling faster than PS2s, and both are selling way faster than Gamecubes.

	13-05-2004 19:44									#45
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OK CONSOLE WAR IS PRETTY DAMN STUPID. EVEN I DONT ACT THAT RETARDED I HAVE STANDARDS TOO

E3 related **** please.

	13-05-2004 19:47									#46
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It's more interesting than Tekken, which hasn't been interesting since the late 90s.

	13-05-2004 19:48									#47
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No need to shout

The numbers are from the FT, so I guess they know pretty well about which company are doing the best.

Anyway, who would be stupid enough to buy shares now in MS?

...so...

...we return you to your scheduled E3 speculation and discussion.

Question : Where are the new TBS games?

-Jam

	13-05-2004 20:00									#48
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i needed an excuse to use big letters. i rarely get to use em

	13-05-2004 20:02									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's more interesting than Tekken, which hasn't been interesting since the late 90s.

well u can say tekken is unintersting, whatever, but console war is flat out retarded. no point. its all about what u like so no point in arguing.

like, if i like nintendo games, theres no way u can convince me ps2 is better because, well there are no nintendo games in ps2!!!1!!!!

so pointless.

	13-05-2004 20:02									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Anyway, who would be stupid enough to buy shares now in MS?

The same people stupid enough to buy them during their IPO, and the same people who today drive cars worth more than your net worth.

It's a solid company to invest in, particularly since it pays dividends now. Consistently strong revenue and profit growth, expanding into new growing markets, proven leadership...don't see your point about being stupid to invest in them.

	13-05-2004 20:04									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Question : Where are the new TBS games? -Jam

thats ur job.

i dont follow TBSs anymore.

	13-05-2004 20:10									#52
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oh asher btw,

tekken is now retarded because its coming out for xbox instead right?

because in the good ol days when it was on ps2, it was good...

	13-05-2004 20:13									#53
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I've just never liked it.

	13-05-2004 20:23									#54
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well from the looks of it, T5 cant possibly be for PS2 at all. It cant be running at system 246. it must be namcos new arcade machine... i have good sourcesthat it will be for xbox live. but as for ps2, i highly doubt it. System 246(which ps2 is based on) has lived out its potential IMO.

	13-05-2004 21:41									#55
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Btw, about the bottom screen on the DS, remember it is also a touch screen, so you can use it as that as well... such as interacting with the lower screen influences the top screen. That can be interesting in for example:

quote: Table Hockey was a very, very simple game that was obviously done solely to show off an idea of how to use the touch stylus control of the Nintendo DS competitively. Players look from a top-down perspective on a futuristic air hockey table, with the player's half of the table on the lower screen…the computer opponent taking over the entire upper screen. The idea is to knock the puck back at the computer-controlled paddle to deactivate the electric shield surrounding his goal. The stylus gives pin-point precision to controlling the paddle and makes it possible to project the puck back at the opponent with a bit of english and speed depending on how hard and wild you "whip" it with the stylus.

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513164p1.html

	13-05-2004 23:11									#56
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quote: It's annoying to have to turn away from the gameplay just to see the map.

Perhaps, but carrying around *a second screen* just to get rid of that annoyance....Its a bit overkill, dont you think?

quote: Second, it's only going to be $150! Which is only $50 greater than a GBA,

What can I get for $150?
I can get a DVD-RW drive, I can get 2 more 30 GB harddrives, I can get a new video card, I can get 5 $30 games (PC or Gameboy), I can eat out at the most expensive resturtant in town 3 times, I can go to the movies 6 times, I can pay nearly 1/7th of my rent, I could buy over 700 packs of noodles....

quote: and of course the DS will be able to play 64 bit games (like from Nintendo 64, etc)

But the thing is that the N64 didn't really have a huge selection of good games.
Perfect Dark, Goldeneye maybe, but not only did the both have more controls than the DS allows anbd not only are they bigger than GBA cartridges, but they already pushed the N64 to its limits. They'd probably fry the DS.

And, of course, there is the issue of batterly life: Not only are you powering two screens, one of them is a touch screen. And if you have to play in the dark, your turning on two screens thus eating away at your battery power even more.

Also, that makes even more issues with the touch screen. Not only do you have to pack around your GBADS *and* your games, but you have to bring that damn stylus with you. Just more to track.
Of course, you could touch the screen, but that leaves nasty fingerprints.

I also hear theres going to be built in wireless connectivity as well as a microphone...Remember my earlier point about eating away at battery power?

My main beef is with the two screens though. Yeah, its nice to have one where you can look at your map....OK.
But why have it two seperate screens? Why not have it one big screen with the lower part devoted to that? Then, for games that won't utilise it, they have more space to work with, or more stuff to do.
Its just kind of cubersome to have this other screen there that may not even be used.

	13-05-2004 23:20									#57
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The two screens thing is a gimicky idea, exactly like the Dreamcast games that supported the little LCD display on the controller.

1) Wireless is a huge battery killer
2) The second largest battery killer is the screen, and they've doubled that
3) Battery capacity is reduced due to the inclusion of GBA and DS cartridge slots

Mark my words -- the battery life on this thing will be atrocious. Does Nintendo understand why people like handhelds? Hint: it has to do with using it on the go!

	13-05-2004 23:35									#58
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we'll see.

I wouldnt object to MORE features per say. I mean if u wanna complain about wireless killing battery, u could just playing Single player games for example.

Price could be a bit lower for a stupid handheld though IMO. But i guess as a starting price its not that bad.

	14-05-2004 01:22									#59
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quote: Perhaps, but carrying around *a second screen* just to get rid of that annoyance....Its a bit overkill, dont you think?

Not really. It's a nice feature to have, IMO (especially for multiplayer). And it isn't just for a map, though it will be used a lot for that. It can be used for games which might need a stylus or games which would be better with a split screen.

quote: What can I get for $150? I can get a DVD-RW drive, I can get 2 more 30 GB harddrives, I can get a new video card, I can get 5 $30 games (PC or Gameboy), I can eat out at the most expensive resturtant in town 3 times, I can go to the movies 6 times, I can pay nearly 1/7th of my rent, I could buy over 700 packs of noodles....

But can you get a comparable portable game system? That is what the DS is competing with.

quote: they already pushed the N64 to its limits. They'd probably fry the DS.

Actually the DS's capabilities are in between the N64 and Gamecube. Look at the new Metroid game coming out (based on the Gamecube Metroid game).

quote: And, of course, there is the issue of batterly life: Not only are you powering two screens, one of them is a touch screen. And if you have to play in the dark, your turning on two screens thus eating away at your battery power even more.

Compared to the PSP (ie, its competition) it'll probably eat up LESS battery power than the large screened Playstation competitor.

quote: Mark my words -- the battery life on this thing will be atrocious. Does Nintendo understand why people like handhelds? Hint: it has to do with using it on the go!

Like I said, as long as the battery life is better than the PSP, they are ok.

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In the end, the DS has to be compared to the PSX, because that is all there is in the market. Also the DS is backwards compatible with all other Gameboy games. The PSX will attempt to convert a lot of the PS1 games for their system.

	14-05-2004 01:46									#60
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I'm assuming by PSX you mean PSP, since PSX is the PS1.

And powering too smaller displays takes a lot more than a single larger display, by virtue of having twice as many lights. Almost ALL display power is sucked up by the backlight, and if you've got one backlight using ~20% more power to cover a larger screen area, it's more effective than having an entirely new backlight resulting in 100% more power.

Other concerns: touchscreens scratch, stylus' are lost, and oils from the fingers can destroy them. Guaranteed, parents are NOT going to like buying their kids something for $150 if it's so easily broken.

It's a stupid idea all around. Not only will they cost a fortune to make, they're trying to compete with Sony. Gaming devices will become something of a fashion accessory and a statement, much like the iPod craze today. If people have a choice between the console maker who tried a purple cube with a gay plumber running around spraying water everywhere, or the sleak black console and brand name with a game involving murdering prostitutes for money, which do you think most kids will go for?