14-05-2004 01:48									#61
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Nintendo rapidly lost marketshare to Sony in the console world, and they're going to do it again in the handheld world.

Once the Xboy comes out, then it'll be really fun.

Me, I prefer Age of Empires on my PDA to any of them...

	14-05-2004 01:55									#62
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quote: And powering too smaller displays takes a lot more than a single larger display, by virtue of having twice as many lights.

From all I've read, the battery life on the DS is going to beat the battery life on the PSP. The PSP has some very low battery life (around 2 hours if what everyone is saying is correct).

quote: Other concerns: touchscreens scratch, stylus' are lost, and oils from the fingers can destroy them.

Don't know if it matters, but the creators of the touchscreen say that they made it super tough, so it won't scratch or be messed by oils from fingers.

quote: If people have a choice between the console maker who tried a purple cube with a gay plumber running around spraying water everywhere, or the sleak black console and brand name with a game involving murdering prostitutes for money, which do you think most kids will go for?

You know that comparison sounds very similar to Super-Nintendo vs. Sega Genesis. And we all know the sleek black console with the more mature games won that one, right?

Mario and Zelda will help Nintendo continue its dominance in the portable game world. Those are timeless classics.

	14-05-2004 03:38									#63
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Xboy? ur delusional microsoft fanboyism extends to something microsoft hasnt even done? Or do you have inside source on this "xboy"?

Soon asher will be saying, he prefers his beef and brocoli to be made by microsoft too...

	14-05-2004 03:42									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui From all I've read, the battery life on the DS is going to beat the battery life on the PSP. The PSP has some very low battery life (around 2 hours if what everyone is saying is correct).

2.5 hrs.


PSP looks stupid. and nobody is gonna pay 250 for a handheld. 150 is asking a bit much, but since its new and has lot of features id understand why. i wouldnt buy it, but id understand why its 150. PSP is comig out with arcade perfect version of Vampior savior though... wooooooo...

Anyways PSP = stupid.

	14-05-2004 03:51									#65
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WOW... just saw a DS Demonstration Video on Gamespot, and it looks great! The stylus seems to be in use a lot. For the Metroid game (looks amazing... almost as good as the Gamecube game), you can use the stylus for turning and firing (a tap on the bottom screen to fire). And the double screen seems to work very well also.

quote: PSP looks stupid. and nobody is gonna pay 250 for a handheld. 150 is asking a bit much, but since its new and has lot of features id understand why. i wouldnt buy it, but id understand why its 150.

I agree! Why spend $100 MORE than any other game console?! I mean the DS is the same as the X-Box and PS2, but it's portable and I can see why. ALSO, it is backwards compatible, so you can play the fun Mario and Zelda games for GBA.

If PSP is $250, Sony loses, easy.

	14-05-2004 08:53									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Zero Xboy? ur delusional microsoft fanboyism extends to something microsoft hasnt even done? Or do you have inside source on this "xboy"? Soon asher will be saying, he prefers his beef and brocoli to be made by microsoft too...

Read "Opening the Xbox" by Dean Takahashi.

He discusses the Xboy that nearly launched alongside the original Xbox, they were originally going for a 1-2 punch. They then decided to gain a foothold in the home market first, and then transfer that developerbase to the handheld market too. So they put the Xboy on hold for another generation.

It might be this one, it might be the next...

	14-05-2004 08:59									#67
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quote: but i somewhat agree with you. why not just die 78 times until u memorize the maze inside and out? no really, that is the only you could have done it in the old days anyway...

That I think is one of the cooler parts about video games, is the memorization that must occur.

	14-05-2004 09:04									#68
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quote: It might be this one, it might be the next...

I doubt it'll be this one. I'd imagine they'd focus on the consoles and realize that releasing your system when your competition does is vital for market share (which is why XBox2 will do MUCH better in sales). They'll hold off on any Xboy, IMO.

	14-05-2004 09:11									#69
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quote: quote: Originally posted by Asher It's more interesting than Tekken, which hasn't been interesting since the late 90s. well u can say tekken is unintersting, whatever, but console war is flat out retarded. no point. its all about what u like so no point in arguing.

I agree w/ you aboutthe console war thing being stupid, but it is stil fun. In my mind, the pointelss argument is between PC and console, but whatever.

BTW in my mind, Tekken always sucked, b/c it was so polyogn reliant. Sure it was 3-d but that didn't make it any cooler in my mind. I preferred War Gods on the 64 or Clayfighter 64 to Tekken any day.

	15-05-2004 00:20									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui which is why XBox2 will do MUCH better in sales.

However, it will always be an underdog in Japan. According to the editor of Famitsu, Japanese gamers generally don't take foreign games seriously.

	15-05-2004 00:49									#71
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I'm sure they've decided that the US and Europe will be their prime markets for XBox2.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm sure they've decided that the US and Europe will be their prime markets for XBox2.

Don't forget the HUGE canadian market.

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Um... North America then

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quote: console maker who tried a purple cube with a gay plumber running around spraying water everywhere, or the sleak black console and brand name with a game involving murdering prostitutes for money, which do you think most kids will go for?

I love how when it gets down to Nintendo bashing, people conveniently forget that there are other games for the system besides "kiddy" Mario. Did you ever try Eternal Darkness? Tell me that was for kids. Resident Evil 4? Yup, looks like another puffy pink wonderland to you, I guess...

	15-05-2004 03:02									#75
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quote: console maker who tried a purple cube with a gay plumber running around spraying water everywhere, or the sleak black console and brand name with a game involving murdering prostitutes for money, which do you think most kids will go for?

Hookers every time!

	15-05-2004 08:49									#76
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear I agree w/ you aboutthe console war thing being stupid, but it is stil fun. In my mind, the pointelss argument is between PC and console, but whatever. BTW in my mind, Tekken always sucked, b/c it was so polyogn reliant. Sure it was 3-d but that didn't make it any cooler in my mind. I preferred War Gods on the 64 or Clayfighter 64 to Tekken any day.

well u know me. give me a paper cut figures held by namco staff moving it around limbs with their hand, taped with camcorder... if the gameplay, the mindgame and psychology behind mp game is good, ill play it

quote: That I think is one of the cooler parts about video games, is the memorization that must occur.

Yeah especially when it becomes a point where you dont even think about it... I like it when i can wheeze thru first world in quake 1 with traps and typical enemy projectile timing completely memorized through just feeling... or play the first level blindfolded with just sound... at certain point, you can condition urself to play the way u memorized it....

mostly only applies to single player games, but it does happen in mp game or sports as well. when you spot a counterhit combo, you react and act according to the combo u have conditioned urself with, or in case with boxing...

	15-05-2004 08:53									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Read "Opening the Xbox" by Dean Takahashi. He discusses the Xboy that nearly launched alongside the original Xbox, they were originally going for a 1-2 punch. They then decided to gain a foothold in the home market first, and then transfer that developerbase to the handheld market too. So they put the Xboy on hold for another generation. It might be this one, it might be the next...

sorry asher. im not as informed as u. :bow:

i also conced to the fact that if xbox did make portable it probably would be better, just seeing how xbox is... microsoft can afford to lose out and overload the portable with kickasss feature to kill competition and all...

	15-05-2004 09:12									#78
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX I love how when it gets down to Nintendo bashing, people conveniently forget that there are other games for the system besides "kiddy" Mario. Did you ever try Eternal Darkness? Tell me that was for kids. Resident Evil 4? Yup, looks like another puffy pink wonderland to you, I guess...

Hey, I own a Gamecube, so you may as well just quit now.

I'm talking about the game makers' image, and like it or not, Nintendo has a kiddy, un-cool image.

	15-05-2004 09:46									#79
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i thought nintendo mario image would help sell...

but i guess im a bit old... back in my days playing mario type game was cool for both lil kids and even mature audience, but now even kids dont like touching that ****, and i dont know hwy, but i cant stand the new mario games no more.

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'Un-cool' or not, Nintendo also has the reputation of making the best games of any platform maker: Zelda, Mario, Metroid are all super-high rated games and are considered some of the best ever. The last few Zelda games are considered the best ever by many publications.

	15-05-2004 13:05									#81
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Though remember - many reviewers consider Civ3 among the best games ever.

	15-05-2004 13:13									#82
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There's quite some infor at Neverwinter Vault about the sequel to NeverWinter Nights. Actually not a sequel, since Bioware is working entirely alone on it, and makes its own universe it can toy freely with

Graphics look good, NWN's concept is used again. Only drawback: we won't see any of it before 2 to 3 years.

	15-05-2004 15:11									#83
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Well other RPG's will be around I'm sure, to fill the gap for fans.

	15-05-2004 21:16									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui 'Un-cool' or not, Nintendo also has the reputation of making the best games of any platform maker: Zelda, Mario, Metroid are all super-high rated games and are considered some of the best ever. The last few Zelda games are considered the best ever by many publications.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

How much did Wind Waker sell compared to Halo or GTA3? The answer: not nearly as much.

The majority of gamers these days aren't interested in the Zelda or Mario games.

	15-05-2004 23:50									#85
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Well, those games are also JUST on the Gamecube, compared to the multi-platform of GTA3 and Halo. HOWEVER, if you compare sales last year, WindWaker sold MORE than GTA: VC.

I bet you if the Zelda series was offered for the X-Box and PS2, WindWaker would easily have been #1 last year.

	16-05-2004 00:00									#86
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I very very much doubt it. The vast majority of people who play Zelda end up spending $99 for a Gamecube...

And I don't know why you think Wind Waker sold more. Wind Waker sold 3M copies total, worldwide, by March 26, 2004: http://www.vgpro.com/news/4447

GTA3:VC, on PS2 alone, has sold over 11.5M: http://www.ps2home.co.uk/gta4-vice.htm

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quote: Well other RPG's will be around I'm sure, to fill the gap for fans.

But not D&D ones as Atari are being b1tches with the license

-Jam

	16-05-2004 01:21									#88
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Atari? *****es? Who would have thought it?

	16-05-2004 03:32									#89
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quote: I don't know why you think Wind Waker sold more

Because it did last year . Windwaker was 5th and VC was 6th for 2003.

http://www.gamemarketwatch.com/news/item.asp?nid=2850

quote: The vast majority of people who play Zelda end up spending $99 for a Gamecube...

Not so. People with one console already won't pay for another one just for one game. But if that game was offered for their consoles, they'd buy it in a flash.

	16-05-2004 04:10									#90
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quote: Because it did last year . Windwaker was 5th and VC was 6th for 2003.

So it's supposed to be impressive that Zelda just barely beat a game in its 2nd year of availability...?

In Canada, in 2003, GTA3 was #1 with Zelda in #3: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/TechNew.../352299-cp.html

And Canada's the country that had, by far, the highest N64 adoption rate in terms of market share.

quote: Not so. People with one console already won't pay for another one just for one game. But if that game was offered for their consoles, they'd buy it in a flash.

Just what are you basing this on? I know TONS of gamers from high school (BF's friends), college (university...), and now in the professional world (IBM).

Nintendo's dumb-it-down keep-it-simple retro gaming is pissing off more people than impressing. The vast majority of people talk about Xbox and PS2 games, not Gamecube. Gamecube has a stigma about it that it's made for kids. IF you don't believe me, look at the best selling games by game-rating across all the consoles.

Gamecube's is G, and Xbox and PS2 are Mature/Teen.

Zelda simply isn't a mainstream game. It's a niche game with a questionable artistic approach, which is why it sells a fraction of the amounts that Halo and GTA3, and which is why you'll VERY rarely see somebody on a college campus raving about how he beat Super Mario Sunshine or Zelda, while you'll likely hear lots about how their Madden season is going, or a Halo tournament they were at, or how they unlocked all the cars in Project Gotham 2...