09-08-2004 17:26									#91
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i mailed apolyton support regarding the old thread.

	09-08-2004 18:50									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician unfortunately, i cant. this the 3rd thread about this game. the entry post leads to the 2nd thread the entry post there was written by quinns, not by me. apparently he forgot to mention it. it also links to the original thread, which is not accessible anymore. please let me know if farm under city is a major problem for you. but may i further note that "cheating" is doing something that is not allowed, so that "to allow cheating" is a paradox sentence. also, if someone could tell me how to access those old threads, id be happy to comply with your request.

Yes it's a major problem for me this "farm under city bug" because newbie players may not know how it works and for sure it will become in a huge advantage from you over them.

Being only a bug it becomes paradox how easy it will be a cheat if new players can't read that this bug can be used in the game.

	09-08-2004 18:56									#93
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quote: Originally posted by berXpert Yes it's a major problem for me this "farm under city bug" because newbie players may not know how it works and for sure it will become in a huge advantage from you over them.

alright. is it acceptable if we simply ban it from turn 52 or 53 onward ? because i have used it for 2 cities so far since i am pretty sure it was allowed in the initial thread.
and otherwise that would retroactively make me a cheater..

	09-08-2004 18:57									#94
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more news:

David replaced by AI, 2 players replaced by humans. hope we get a nice turn flow from here.

turn 52 sent to Checkmate.

	09-08-2004 22:47									#95
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Turn 52 to theHappies

	10-08-2004 03:10									#96
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so, may I use that bug or not?

	10-08-2004 03:13									#97
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quote: Originally posted by pacman so, may I use that bug or not?

remains to be seen. but i think not.
awaiting ber's response

	10-08-2004 07:48									#98
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Sent turn 52 to Pacman. Speaking of Newbies and the farm under city bug . . . I have no idea how that works. If we are going to allow it, somebody clue me in how to do it so I don't get shafted.

-Aaron

	10-08-2004 08:27									#99
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if you start building a farm, and than build a city on it with your settler on the same turn, than you have a city with extra food...

I've heard of that bug before, but I could'nt remember what it was, until yesterday, when i saw it in the recuirements topic. if evrybody knows what it is than it's not a big problem I think, and mathemagician used it already.

turn 52 for gumpold...

	10-08-2004 08:31									#100
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just my $.02 I've been in this game for awhile and haven't used it. (Must be why I'm so low down the graph!) I just assumed we couldn't, which would be my fault. I'd say we should say no to them, but that would put those who already have them at an advantage.

	10-08-2004 13:13									#101
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alright, lets ban it from turn 53 onward then. i dont think anyone has gained an unfair advantage from it yet. keep in mind that so early in the game its quite costly to generate the required PW.

btw, thehappies, of course it would work with mines, fortification, watchtowers, ... too.
the only thing that doesnt care about when it is built, is terraforming. the terraform order will remain if you found a city, regardless when you gave it. ergo, terraforming under a newly found city is okay, as there is nowhere a bug or irregularity to be seen.

	11-08-2004 05:03									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician remains to be seen. but i think not. awaiting ber's response

I think I have already post my response.

Ban it from turn 52, why wait to 53?

are you planing to use it for last time knowing it will be banned ?

	11-08-2004 12:23									#103
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quote: Originally posted by berXpert I think I have already post my response. Ban it from turn 52, why wait to 53? are you planing to use it for last time knowing it will be banned ?

because, as i regard it, it has been allowed previously and the discussion to ban it reached into turn 52, so it was a logical choice to start at the next turn.
personally, i will be happy not to use it on turn 52 either.

if we could forget this thing now, i could state how happy i am that this game is finally starting to move quickly.

	11-08-2004 12:26									#104
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entry post updated about farm under city bug

	11-08-2004 21:52									#105
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52 sent

	13-08-2004 16:14									#106
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?? mathemagician??? I think it's your turn.

	13-08-2004 17:31									#107
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thanks a lot pacman.
i was confused by the fact that for the first time it was my turn directly after berXpert, without a turn for David in between. sorry.

turn 53 sent to Checkmate

btw, i noticed that i had used farm (mine) under city only once, not twice, as previously stated.

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Turn 53 to Pacman.

	14-08-2004 18:46									#109
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53 to gumpold

	16-08-2004 22:31									#110
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gumpold, did you receive the game? I have some problems with the PC, so it could be that you the game was never sent...

	16-08-2004 22:35									#111
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quote: Originally posted by pacman gumpold, did you receive the game? I have some problems with the PC, so it could be that you the game was never sent...

he did. and he sent it to Protoss. to whom i just resent turn 53.

	20-08-2004 10:59									#112
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54 to Math

	21-08-2004 08:31									#113
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Turn 55 to the Happies.

And Berx, are you light blue in this one?

	25-08-2004 19:58									#114
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55 > Math

yes checkMate, why ? how did you note it ?

	25-08-2004 20:17									#115
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turn 56 to the dark blue Checkmate

	30-08-2004 10:02									#116
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56 > Math

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57 > Math

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I have a quick question if anyone would be kind enough to answer. This is for another game I'm in where we are already in the genetic/diamond age.

How do you load stuff into a space plane? I can't seem to get my space engineers or anyother unit to load into them. Consequently I've only been able to get stuff into space with a rail launcher and one of my space engineers is stuck in a city without a launcher. Any suggestions?

Also, what are the proper rules about replaying turns and stuff. For example, I could play a crappy turn, then just reopen it and and play it over again differently. Also, it seems like I can open files that are intended for the next player in line and look at what they are doing. I'm assuming this kind of thing is illegal. Is it?

	14-09-2004 21:59									#119
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Pacman nexted, turn 58 sent to gumpold.

	14-09-2004 22:06									#120
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quote: Originally posted by thehappies How do you load stuff into a space plane? I can't seem to get my space engineers or anyother unit to load into them.

a space plane will pick up any sentried/sleeping units ('s' mode) in a city (and i think airbase) square that it is in and leaves. if there are more such units than it can hold, it is rather random which end up in the plane.

quote: Originally posted by thehappies Also, what are the proper rules about replaying turns and stuff. For example, I could play a crappy turn, then just reopen it and and play it over again differently. Also, it seems like I can open files that are intended for the next player in line and look at what they are doing. I'm assuming this kind of thing is illegal. Is it?

yes, it is illegal to either look at other players' turns or replay your own without a good reason.
good reasons for looking include being a non-playing moderator. good reasons for replaying include the next player not being able to open the turn you sent, or the game crashing while you are playing it.

in case of a replay, you should do all decisions the same, at least as good as you remember it. so if you ran your knight in a gamble-attack on your enemy's city the first time, you should do it again the second time.

personally, i believe, those decisions that did not include any reaction from the game, read: revealed information of any kind, should be allowed to be done anew in a replay. for example spending your money at the end of the turn on buying a marketplace in one city instead of the granary in the first city like you did the first time. that implies of course that no event of the game happened in between that made you change your mind.