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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:36
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Ok, I've been busy doing some research so that I can alter various earth maps to have at least reasonably ACCURATE distributions of the various resources.
My intention was to do this so that I could alter existing standard-sized maps or a standard-sized map into a strategically interesting and usable multiplayer earth map (thus the reason for a STANDARD map size).
Anyhow, I figure if I've already done the work to look up what the resource distributions should be, I might as well share it with others:
HORSES
England
France
Spain
Germany
Russia
Po Valley
Eastern Europe
Syria
Central Asia
China
Eastern U.S. (optional)
Midwestern U.S. (optional)
IRON
Australia (South Wales)
Brazil
Canada (Ontario)
Sweden
Norway
India (Bombay)
South Africa
Liberia
Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin
Alabama
Syria
France
Germany (Saxony)
England (South Cornwall)
Mexico (northern region)
Morocco
Congo/Zaire
Namibia/Angola
Cambodia
Malaysia
Nepal
New Zealand
SALTPETER
Chile (northern coast... a lot of it)
Bolivia
Dead Sea/Jordan Valley
New York
Germany
France
Scotland
Nebraska
California
New Mexico
Saskatchewan, Canada
Brazil
Russia
Transvaal, South Africa
northern India
Philippines
Vietnam
COAL
Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio
Montana/Wyoming
England/Wales
Southern Scotland
Ruhr region of Germany
Alsace region of France
Belgium
Poland
Czech Republic
Hungary
Australia
Russia/Belarus/Ukraine
Southern Siberia
Northwestern China (plenty)
(ALMOST NONE in South/Central America or the Middle East)
RUBBER
South America
Indonesia
Malay Peninsula
Ceylon
Mexico
Russia
Western Turkistan
United States (Louisiana?)
OIL
Arabia (A LOT!!!)
Iraq (A LOT!!!)
Texas
Alaska
Mexico
Venezuala
Nigeria
Indonesia
China
Russia
Kazakhstan
Norway
Scotland
ALUMINUM
Jamaica
Australia
France
Alabama
Venezuala/Guyana
West Africa
India
Indonesia
Solomon Islands
Vietnam
URANIUM
Seskatchewan and Yukon territories of Canada
Australia
South Texas
Niger
Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Gabon
South Africa
Washington state (U.S.)
Namibia
China
Russia (Ural Mountains)
Mexico
Brazil
Ukraine
Czech Republic
Congo/Zaire
India/Pakistan (Kashmir)
Colorado
GEMS
South Africa (tons of it)
Congo/Zaire
Russia (Kola Peninsula)
Burma/Myanmar
Ceylon
Australia
India/Pakistan (Kashmir region)
IVORY
West Africa
East Africa
India
WINES
France
Germany
Italy
Hungary
Slovenia
Spain
California
Greece
Chile
Australia
FURS
Canada
Norway
Sweden
Russia
DYES
Central America
South America
INCENSE
Egypt
East Africa
Arabia
Persia
Central Asia
SPICES
East Indies
West Indies
SILKS
China
Japan
Korea
East Indies
TOBACCO
Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Tennessee
West Indies
OASES
Arabia
Sahara
Western U.S.
TROPICAL FRUIT
Brazil
Congo
Siam Peninsula
Central America
SUGAR
Cuba
other West Indies
Louisiana
GOLD
California
South Africa
Central America
South America
East Africa
Middle East
WHEAT
American Mid-West
Tigris/Euphrates valley in the Middle East
France
Ukraine
Nile Valley
Yellow River Valley in China
Indus River valley in India/Pakistan
Po Valley in Italy
Rhine Valley
CATTLE
Texas
Oklahoma
Mexico
Argentina
throughout Europe
GAME
wooded areas of Europe, Canada, U.S., Russia, China, Japan
FISH
distributed worldwide
WHALES
distributed worldwide
make sure there are sources off of:
Norway
Japan
New York
Washington state/British Colombia
Alaska
East Indies
Iceland
Scotland
Last edited by Arnelos on 10-05-2004 at 23:27
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:36
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Just finished altering El Mencey's earth map (his standard one) so that:
1. Some parts of it were altered to be more realistic or less realistic, but more playable... changes included (those that I remember):
a) Britain is a good bit larger
b) Italy is slightly larger - this was done to accomodate Mt. Vesuvius (see below)
c) Cuba was changed to all plains rather than grassland and plains tiles were given sugar
d) the Appalachian Mountains in the Eastern U.S. were expanded and extend north into New York/Vermont, as they should be. Saltpeter was placed on one of these tiles.
d) Pine forests were spread far more extensively over Canada and Russia/Siberia.
e) More forests were added to mainland Europe
f) a bit of flood plains were added to the deltas of the Nile, Congo, Amazon, and Niger rivers. Oil was placed in the Niger delta, while wheat was placed in the Nile, Rhine, Congo, Amazon, Indus, and Yellow deltas.
g) Hawaiian Islands were slightly expanded (1 additional tile)
h) Iceland is now only one tile (tundra)
i) A 1-tile tundra island was added north of Scotland and West of Norway with oil (I forget the real name of this island/island chain, sorry).
j) A few hill tiles added to Europe (to accomodate coal in the Ruhr and Alcase regions)
k) more little tweaks I can't remember, for sure 
2. The new C3C terrain types were added. Specifically:
a) Marsh in much of tiny little Ireland
b) Marsh in southern Poland through to parts of Belarus and Ukraine
c) Marsh in Estonia and Latvia
d) Marsh in Central/Northern Florida
e) Volcano in Italy (the entire country had to be moved slightly West to accomodate the added land tile without creating a land bridge to Greece and closing off the Adriatic)
f) Volcano in West Indies
g) Volcano in California/Nevada
h) Volcanoes in the Cascades (Washington, Oregon, Idaho)
i) Volcanoes up British Colombia and in Alaska
j) 1 additional volcano to represent the entire STRING of real volcanoes in the Aleutian Islands off of Alaska
k) Volcano instead a mountain for the souther Hawaiian island
l) Volcano added to the Phillipines
m) Volcano instead of mountain for Java
n) Volcano instead of mountain for Sumatra
o) 2 Volcanoes on New Guinea
p) 2 Volcanoes in New Zealand (one on each island)
q) Volcano instead of mountain for Japan
r) Volcano in Ethiopia
s) Volcano in Central/East Africa
t) Volcanoes all down the line of the Andes Mountains
u) 2 Volcanoes in Mexico
v) Volcano about where I guessed Costa Rica or Nicaragua would be
w) 1 volcano on the Russian Kamchatka peninsula (in RL there are multiple, but as with the Aleutian Islands, I just added one).
3. Added strategic resources, luxuries, and other resource locations across the map. The locations of these are roughly approximate in most cases to the list in the post above for suggested locations.
 Attachment: earth.zip
This has been downloaded 28 time(s).
Last edited by Arnelos on 11-05-2004 at 05:34
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:36
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Roughly, here's what the resource/luxury distribution looks like for the map:
EASTERN U.S.:
1 Horse, 2 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 3 Coal, 1 Aluminum, 1 Furs, 1 Game, 2 Fish, 1 Whale, 4 Tobacco
CENTRAL U.S.
1 Horse, 2 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Oil, 1 Uranium, 3 Wheat, 3 Cattle, 4 Sugar, 1 Oasis
WESTERN U.S.
1 Saltpeter, 1 Rubber, 1 Uranium, 1 Wine, 1 Furs, 1 Game, 4 Gold, 1 Whale, 2 Fish
CANADA
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Uranium, 4 Furs, 2 Game, 3 Whale, 2 Fish
ALASKA
1 Fish, 1 Whale (hmm... seems I forgot the oil... no matter, the U.S. should only get one source that could run out on them anyhow)
CENTRAL AMERICA/CARRIBEAN
1 Iron, 1 Oil, 1 Rubber, 1 Aluminum, 3 Dye, 2 Spice, 4 Sugar, 2 Tropical Fruit, 1 Gold, 1 Tobacco, 3 Fish
GUINEAS/VENEZUALA/COLOMBIA/ECUADOR/NORTHERN BRAZIL
1 Iron, 2 Rubber, 1 Oil, 1 Aluminum, 3 Dye, 4 Tropical Fruit, 1 Wheat, 3 Fish, 2 Gold
PERU/BOLIVIA/BRAZIL/URUGUAY/PARAGUAY/NORTHERN CHILE/ARGENTINA
1 Iron, 4 Saltpeter, 1 Rubber, 1 Uranium, 4 Dyes, 2 Wheat, 2 Gold, 2 Oases, 4 Fish
SOUTHERN CHILE/ARGENTINA
1 Wine, 2 Dyes, 3 Cattle, 1 Game, 3 Fish, 1 Oasis
BRITISH ISLES AND ICELAND, OTHER ISLANDS
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Oil, 1 Furs, 1 Game, 1 Cattle, 4 Fish, 3 Whale
IBERIA
1 Horse, 1 Wine, 1 Cattle, 1 Wheat, 2 Fish
FRANCE AND LOW COUNTRIES
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Aluminum, 3 Wine, 2 Wheat, 1 Cattle, 1 Game, 1 Fish
ITALY
1 Horse, 1 Wine, 1 Wheat, 1 Fish
GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, AND CENTRAL EUROPE
2 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 2 Coal, 1 Uranium, 3 Wine, 2 Game, 2 Cattle, 1 Wheat
BALKAN PENINSULA
1 Wine, 1 Wheat, 2 Fish
SCANDINAVIA
3 Iron, 2 Furs, 1 Gems, 1 Game, 4 Fish, 1 Whale
WESTERN RUSSIA/UKRAINE, etc.
1 Horse, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Uranium, 1 Furs, 1 Wheat, 1 Game, 1 Fish
SIBERIA
1 Horse, 1 Coal, 2 Furs
CENTRAL ASIA
1 Horse, 1 Oil, 1 Incense, 3 Oases, 1 Gold
MIDDLE EAST
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 2 Saltpeter, 4 Oil, 1 Uranium, 7 Incense, 5 Oases, 6 Wheat, 1 Cattle, 5 Gold, 3 Fish
NORTH AFRICA (EXCLUDING EGYPT AND LIBYA)
1 Iron, 1 Incense, 1 Ivory, 2 Gold, 2 Fish
WEST AFRICA
1 Iron, 1 Rubber, 1 Oil, 1 Aluminum, 1 Uranium, 3 Ivory, 2 Fish, 2 Tropical Fruit
EAST AFRICA
2 Ivory, 2 Tropical Fruit, 1 Fish
CONGO VALLEY/CENTRAL AFRICA
1 Iron, 2 Rubber, 2 Ivory, 2 Gems, 3 Tropical Fruit, 2 Fish, 1 Gold
SOUTHERN AFRICA
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Uranium, 5 Gems, 2 Ivory, 3 Gold, 1 Game, 2 Fish
INDIAN SUBCONTINENT
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Aluminum, 1 Rubber, 1 Uranium, 3 Gems, 2 Ivory, 1 Incense, 1 Wheat, 1 Cattle, 4 Fish, 1 Gold
SIAMESE PENINSULA
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 2 Rubber, 1 Aluminum, 3 Silk, 3 Spice, 3 Tropical Fruit, 2 Fish
CHINA AND KOREA
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 2 Coal, 1 Oil, 1 Uranium, 5 Silk, 2 Cattle, 3 Wheat, 1 Oasis, 1 Game, 2 Fish
JAPAN
1 Iron, 2 Silk, 1 Wheat, 3 Fish, 4 Whale
PHILIPPINES AND EAST INDIES
1 Saltpeter, 1 Rubber, 1 Oil, 2 Aluminum, 2 Silk, 7 Spice, 3 Fish
AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND
2 Iron, 1 Coal, 3 Aluminum, 1 Uranium, 1 Gems, 1 Wine, 3 Fish
HAWAII
1 Fish
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Midget*Toilet
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A few minor changes should be applied.
There wasn't just some oil in Texas. There was a LOT of oil back before the oil boom in the early part of the 1900's (most oil wells were in the Northeast around Beaumont). There's still plenty of oil in this state, although the wells don't produce as much as those found in the Gulf or in the Middle East.
There are multiple diamond mines in the states, mostly in Idaho and Arkansas.
This nation was abundant in furs before the development boom of the mid 1800's.
Iron and coal can be found throughout the Rockies.
Spices could be found in America in the early 1800's, mostly around Chicago. These were particularly onions, which can be considered a spice.
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Midget*Toilet
There wasn't just some oil in Texas. There was a LOT of oil back before the oil boom in the early part of the 1900's (most oil wells were in the Northeast around Beaumont). There's still plenty of oil in this state, although the wells don't produce as much as those found in the Gulf or in the Middle East.
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Given that I was trying to limit myself to only 12 sources on the entire planet, I think it entirely reasonably to make the Texas source only ONE source rather than two, which would have it equal half the supply for the entire Middle East (rather unrealistic IMO).
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There are multiple diamond mines in the states, mostly in Idaho and Arkansas.
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While there ARE gem mines in the U.S., they don't quite match the volume produced by those few I gave the gem luxury sources to overseas. North American gem production is simply dwarfed by gem production in the places (South Africa, Sri Lanka, Congo/Zaire, even places like Myanmar) that have far greater deposits.
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This nation was abundant in furs before the development boom of the mid 1800's.
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I did place furs in the U.S. Did I forget to mention that?
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Iron and coal can be found throughout the Rockies.
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I did place coal in the rockies. I noted the region as "Central U.S." for the El Mencey map only because his way of implementing the U.S. is a bit... odd. So I included the Rockies in the "Central U.S." I suppose you might attribute part of this to my bias as someone who lives on the East coast (though I recently did live in Arizona). The coal source is in Monana/Wyoming.
As for iron, the problem is that there are a LOT of sources of iron on the planet. If one were to include every single significant source, you'd easily have more than 30-40 sources on the map. Simply put, this would make placing iron sources somewhat immaterial game-wise. In prioritizing sources, I chose to only include the iron sources worldwide with the most production or historical significance (one or the other). Since both Northern Mexico and the Eastern U.S. have sources of iron (along with Canada) on the map I was altering, ANOTHER source in the Rockies didn't seem necessary with so many historically important or large sources to place overseas.
On a huge map, that might be different, I guess.
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Spices could be found in America in the early 1800's, mostly around Chicago. These were particularly onions, which can be considered a spice. |
This time, the issue is both relative quantity AND relative quality. The spices produced in the East Indies and the Carribean are, shall we say, far more in demand worldwide than the supply of onion likely once produced in Illinois.
That said, I honestly wasn't even aware that this was once the case.
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Niessuh
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Sevilla
Mar 2003
time: 06:36
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Great distribution! count me in if you make a PBEM.
As for the Iberian Peninsulae I propose:
 Attachment: dibujo2.jpg
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:36
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Here's where I'm at right now.
So far, I've fought the French, Dutch, Germans, Vikings, Romans, Spanish, Dutch again, Byzantines, and the Russians.
I think I'll take out the Carthaginians next, though that will require investing in more of a fleet.
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:36
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I put an oil in the Shetland Islands to cover both the oil available from Norway and the oil available from Scotland (largely from oil derricks in the Norwegian Sea anyhow).
That said, it might be justified putting a second source along the northern coast of Norway. To do so, however, I might want to remove a source from elsewhere... but where precisely would I remove it from?
Texas, Mexico, Venezuala, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, and China have the other sources. All of them deserve a source and putting the Norwegian Sea source in the Shetland Islands made some sense.
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Ozymandias
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quote:
Originally posted by Arnelos
The problem with horses is when you consider where the horses originally came from. Of course, the same is true of North America... one of the reasons I'm uncomfortable with putting sources up there. Frankly, the static nature of the horse supply in Civ3 is a liability for a historical game. |
Therenis an awkward way around this --
(1) add an additional resource called "Horses " (notice the space); use the same icon as "Horses"
(2) have them appear at a point in the game you think reasonable (e.g., assume by the time Steam Power roles around there's been contact of come sort with the New World whether or not any Civ has actually done so).
(3) make duplicates of units requiring horses, naming them likewise with the extra space, using the same icons, stats, etc.
-Oz
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10-05-2004 22:39
and Australia 
But if you include California and Australia (i.e.) you MUST include Argentina 
I f you have Slovenia, you can have Austria too. 
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