13-05-2004 02:22									#31
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If you change your vote and vote for Bush, the terrorists win!

	13-05-2004 02:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If you change your vote and vote for Bush, the terrorists win!

How is that? Explain that logic!

	13-05-2004 02:30									#33
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat How is that? Explain that logic!

Well on the more direct level, because you've let their actions change your mind about stuff. Indirectly, because Bush is far less competent and will just feed the terrorists what they want.

	13-05-2004 02:31									#34
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat How is that? Explain that logic!

Because bin Laden is sitting in a cave or hut somewhere smoking a bowl because our troops are in Iraq instead of getting him.

	13-05-2004 02:32									#35
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If Thorn wants to vote for Bush, obviously Bush is the wrong choice. Simple logic really.

	13-05-2004 02:35									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Because bin Laden is sitting in a cave or hut somewhere smoking a bowl because our troops are in Iraq instead of getting him.

You do realize that we have troops in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan, don't you? We did not reduce our military operations in Afghanistan when we began operations in Iraq.

	13-05-2004 02:36									#37
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This thread is just great.
the diplomat turning liberal (in comparison).

The comparison with Germany is bad though. Better compare it with Franco's/Germany's bombardement of Guernica, the Basque's Holy Site. Look how the basques still love Spanish...

The problem in this whole conflict are the emotions. Many Arabs were, in addition to their general distrust or hate on America appalled by the Torture pics. Some completely nuts guys then behead an American. We already knew that there are such idiots over there, capable of doing this, so what. If now, in reaction to this beheading, someone wants to change policy from "cruel" to "exceedingly cruel" it's exactly the same thing those terrorists are doing and what the torturers did.
"Those", "they all", "the arabs" - bullshit. Applying collective responsability for atrocities is the most dangerous thing in history and still nowadays! Sure, antiamericanism and hate is widely spread, however this can't be a reason to run amok on the muslim world. This kind of hate is responsible for the maltreatments and the torture of guilty and completely innocent people thelike in Iraq - those poor guys you wanted to free from Saddam, remember?

	13-05-2004 02:37									#38
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat You do realize that we have troops in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan, don't you? We did not reduce our military operations in Afghanistan when we began operations in Iraq.

THEY DID TAKE MONEY AND MANPOWER AWAY FROM AFGHANISTAN TO GO TO IRAQ

We should have more boots on the ground there... we SHOULD HAVE in late 2001 and 2002 when he had a good chance to get him.

Bush failed... yet again.

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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar It is clear that Iraq has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda or attacks on Americans. It is especially clear given that we are discussing an attack on an American, by Al-Qaeda, in Iraq.

hey douche, would aq be there had we not invaded? we caused the whole power vacuum and infiltration of terrorists by destabilizing the nation.

	13-05-2004 02:58									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sava THEY DID TAKE MONEY AND MANPOWER AWAY FROM AFGHANISTAN TO GO TO IRAQ We should have more boots on the ground there... we SHOULD HAVE in late 2001 and 2002 when he had a good chance to get him. Bush failed... yet again.

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Wasn't Sava against the Afghan war?

	13-05-2004 03:07									#42
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quote: and that would make us better than the terrorists... how?

That would make us ROME, AND NO ONE FVCKS WITH ROME!

	13-05-2004 03:07									#43
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat

Why are you rolling your eyes? According to the new Woodword book, which the White House has not contradicted, the White House took 700 million dollars which were appropriated for Afganistan and spent it on Iraq instead. We also pulled troops from Afganistan in order to invade Iraq, which is why they weren't able to cut Tora Bora completely off.

	13-05-2004 03:08									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn That would make us ROME, AND NO ONE FVCKS WITH ROME!

Except the Germans and Persians and Huns and Avars and Turks.

	13-05-2004 03:12									#45
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and the Visigoths and the Goths and Alans and the Bulgars, the Arabs, the Franks, the Lombards, the Ostogoths and the Vandals.

Oh and don't forget the Teutons, the Angles, the Saxons and the Slavs.

	13-05-2004 03:14									#46
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Well, besides the Germans and Persians and Huns and Avars and Turks and the Visigoths and the Goths and Alans and the Bulgars, the Arabs, the Franks, the Lombards, the Ostogoths and the Vandals and the Teutons, the Angles, the Saxons and the Slavs, NO ONE FVCKS WITH ROME!

	13-05-2004 03:18									#47
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.... the Normans?

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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil and the Visigoths and the Goths and Alans and the [snip], the Arabs, the Franks, the Lombards, the Ostogoths and the Vandals. Oh and don't forget the Teutons, the Angles, the Saxons and t[snip].

You know, I think you could, uhm, simply say Germans.

	13-05-2004 03:20									#49
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Add the Pechenegs.

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[/threadjack] Were they 'German' though?

	13-05-2004 03:21									#51
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One day Qaeda or some other group is gonna go too far and get some people angered to the point that they start using the same tactics that Qaeda uses, except on Muslim targets.

	13-05-2004 03:22									#52
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The Pechenegs? No. They were related to the Huns.

	13-05-2004 03:22									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley One day Qaeda or some other group is gonna go too far and get some people angered to the point that they start using the same tactics that Qaeda uses, except on Muslim targets.

You mean like al Qaeda?

	13-05-2004 03:23									#54
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This thread has turned into a Monty Python sketch .

	13-05-2004 03:35									#55
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You mean like al Qaeda?

Smiley DID mention al Qaeda in his post, didn't he?

	13-05-2004 03:38									#56
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Smiley DID mention al Qaeda in his post, didn't he?

You don't get it either.

AQ regularly attacks Muslim targets.

	13-05-2004 03:40									#57
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Well, we leveled how many cities in Germany during World War II? And now how many Germans love us today?

Actually historically throughout the postwar period lots of them have. Go find some photos of Berliners greeting the airlift planes flying into Berlin during the Berlin crisis for example.

	13-05-2004 03:41									#58
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My patience is running thin, if they don't get these guys, I will have to take matters in my own hands.

There won't be anyone left standing if I have it, SO DON'T LET IT COME TO THIS.

	13-05-2004 03:41									#59
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That was the point of my joke, Dr Strangelove.


So let get them Muslims to love us by leveling their cities!

	13-05-2004 03:52									#60
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You managed to have the Germans love you after occupying them with full force, rebuilding their ruined country, and castrating their culture as they willingly let you do so. Unless you feel able to do it with one billion people, who have no major sin to atone for, you may want to refrain.