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fairline
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of the wing
Sep 2002
time: 05:17
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Originally posted by varwnos
I think that i will use research in the same manner it was used in the scen about yugoslavia, in other words through research the player will eventually be able to build the strong units, which are given in the beggining of the conflict in limited numbers in each nation.
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It's worth thinking about the actual reforms to Greek troops that took place in the late 5th century. In general, as I'm sure you know, hoplites became progressively more lightly equiped and pelasts became progressively heavier. The Lakedaimonians, in particular, did away with cuirasses, greaves and the closed Corinthian helmet in the interest of mobility and vision. The only armour they retained was the argive shield and the pylos 'pot' helmet. Most other states followed suit. The Athenians through Iphicrates' (or was he later?) reforms basically used heavy-peltasts as hoplites, with a longer spear than conventional troops but protected only by peltai shields, quilted cuirasses and open helmets such as the Attic and thracian helmets.
I guess what I'm getting at is that it isn't simply a case of making the researched units better both offensively and defensively. You may want to improve attack and movement stats, while reducing defensive stats. Just some thoughts....
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Gagliaudo
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of Medioevo
Jan 2003
time: 06:17
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@Fairline:
Really interesting, your briefs about greek military reform; I don't know when there was the Spartan one, I can say first important Iphikrates victory was in 390 near Korinthos (IIRC at Lechaion: his peltastai destroyed an entire spartan 'mora' = battalion)  .
Pelops' events:
Maybe Sybotai battle in 433/2 (but around 459 there was the so-called 'first Peloponnesian war", not the important and most famous one, but an sort of i'ntroduction' to it - with quite differences).  for the battles you mentioned.
I put: Athenai's pestilence (430-429); Brasidas' campaign around Amphipolis (424-422) - prosecution of first struggles around Potidaia; the various battle in Ionia and Ellesponton (Abydos & Syme 411, Kyzikos & Kynossema 410, Ephesos various 409/8, Notion 407/6, Arginussai 406, Aigospotamos/-oi 405).
Sorry, problems with my pc, hope solve them quickly, to be more present to the thread development.
By you all!
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varwnos
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Thessalonike
Oct 2003
time: 07:17
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@Fairline: The only thing is that there arent that many of them (greek units) and they are a bit big in relation to the other greek units, so i will either have to use just units by you, or just units by alex and hobbes. I still haven't decided! 
Another thing i am having second thoughts about is whether it would be more interesting to have Eleia or Mantineia as a playable side. Atm they are part of the same side (Eleia).
@Gagliaudo: What do you suggest for the northern cities in the map? (aetolian, lebadian etc) Naupactos could be athenian sympoliteia, but i am trying to prevent wars in that part of the map, those cities should mostly be a block.
I am finished with the terrains (i think) so i am moving on to the events now. I dont think that i have enough event space to mention the entire history, so Potidaia will have to be left out, or to just be a footnote. (it isnt in the map anyway). I added the important village of Solygeia, which will be part of an event as well 
ps: it isnt easy to simulate the armies of the period, since they weren't serving for ever, the spartans that went on campaign against attica for example returned home to cultivate their farms. i am not sure if it would be very interesting to have it be impossible for any spartans to conquer any athenian post-village though (this can be done, by placing a spartan inside it and then just disbanding him).
What do you think, is it ok if i name one side Eleia-Mantineia? They were allied in the battle of Mantineia although no Eleian forces were there. Btw what was happening in the spartan-elean border at the time of the battle of Mantineia?
Megara will probably be either independant, or Korinthian.
Also: which towns did Mantineia control? the arcadian alliance of the time is a bit vague
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Last edited by varwnos on 16-05-2004 at 21:29
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14-05-2004 01:38
: sorry, My perspective was directed to the entire war theatre... 
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