15-05-2004 21:18									#1
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I keep getting an error when I try to run Modmanager...

How can I make it go?

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	15-05-2004 21:25									#2
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Answered my own question...

quote: This is just the executable, and that should be OK for most people since I used only standard Windows Common Controls, but if you're missing .ocx (likely with Windows 95 or 98) files you can get the relevant ones here

	16-05-2004 00:17									#3
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wow thank you...
i was having this problem but i was scared to say it cus everybody new what to do

	16-05-2004 04:41									#4
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Huangshang never be scared to ask for help. We all help each other here if we can and we all need time to get up to speed. When I first came here I got accused of reinventing things with my suggestions.

	17-05-2004 04:41									#5
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Yes, I should probably alter the directory entry to contain that info...

	22-05-2004 04:47									#6
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I was having the same problem. I downloaded the file but where do I put it?

	22-05-2004 15:07									#7
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It's easiest if you unzip it in the main CTP2 directory. You can put it anywhere, but if you put it elsewhere you'll have to tell it where CTP2 is with a command line argument.

	23-05-2004 01:54									#8
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i was looking at the readme and it said something about requiring a modman entry for all mods... so does that mean that i have to right one of those?

	23-05-2004 02:44									#9
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quote: Originally posted by HuangShang i was looking at the readme and it said something about requiring a modman entry for all mods... so does that mean that i have to right one of those?

In most cases, no. If you read the next sentence in the readme:

quote: ModManager can create these files automatically for ModSwapper class mods based on their *_Gamefile.txt if you click the 'Seek ModSwapper mods' button in the 'Manage Setups' dialog.

All existing mods (AFAIK) are ModSwapper mods, and you can do this for them.

	03-07-2004 12:49									#10
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I'm trying to run MedMod2 for CTP2 from ModManager. I think I've downloaded everything I need. The patch is installed. The missing OCXs are downloaded and registered. (Why don't they don't have links for those on the download page for ModManager??) DebugSlic=No. Followed the installation directions (except for trying to use ModManager instead of ModSwapper).


MedMod2 says "To install the modpack, simply unzip the portions into the "Call to Power 2" folder."

ModManager says "If you've installed a mod, but it doesn't show up in ModManager, then it might be a ModSwapper mod, in which case you must tell ModManager to look for it. To do this press 'Manage' and then 'Seek ModSwapper Mods'."


It's not finding it.
If this was supposed to simplify things, it's not working for me. What am I doing wrong?



ModMan is at D:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\ModMan.exe.

What I presume is the definition file (one of two there) is at D:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\medmod_texts_pics_and_videos\ctp2_data\ctp2_data
\default\gamedata\MM2_gamefile.txt.

	03-07-2004 17:10									#11
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quote: D:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\medmod_texts_pics_and_videos\ctp2_data\ctp2_data \default\gamedata\MM2_gamefile.txt

Something must have gone wrong while unzipping the Modfiles (I suppose the path defined in the zip-file is a bit too long). However - the above path should read as follows:

quote: D:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\default\gamedata\MM2_gamefile.txt

Moving all MM2_*.*-files out of any "medmod_texts_pics_and_videos"-like folder into the "regular" D:\...\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\..." structure should solve the problem.

	03-07-2004 19:53									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Larry_Knerr The missing OCXs are downloaded and registered. (Why don't they don't have links for those on the download page for ModManager??)

Well, there are links on the thread, and I can't really put links on the page in the directory because of the constraints on the format.

As regards your other problem, what BureauBert says is right.

	03-07-2004 22:31									#13
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Thanks.

To follow up, after posting the previous I did try copying all the MedMod2 files into the matching CTP2 directories but couldn't get that to work either. (I uninstalled and reinstalled and repatched after each of these, so there shouldn't have been leftovers screwing things up.)

Running CTP2 by itself afterwards gives error messages.

Following MedMod2's Win2K instructions (except for "change MM2_Wondermovie.txt to Wondermovie.txt"; the (new) gamefile.txt doesn't have a MM2_Wondermovie.txt entry) gives error messages.

Running ModSwapper (it finds it!) gives what seems like a couple of hundred error messages. I held the Enter key down for quite a while.


I'd suppose there's some newbie thing I'm doing or not doing, except if the process were inobvious you'd think ModManager and ModSwapper and MedMod2 between them would have at least one set of instructions for people who are doing this for the first time. Maybe I'm just dumb this week.
Or maybe I'm supposed to ignore the odd error messages with MedMod2?

	04-07-2004 00:10									#14
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If you're getting lots of error messages that suggests that you have DebugSlic on. If you're using ModManager you should be able to check that easily when you run it...

	04-07-2004 12:25									#15
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Oops. Forgot that, last time. OK, one last try.

I note in passing that one MedMod2 folder contains a ctp2_data folder inside another ctp2_data folder and CTP2 doesn't. Maybe MedMod2 expects that?

Reinstalling, recopying...
Now I'm only getting 6 SLIC Errors with DebugSlic=No, all of the form
"D:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\default\gamedata\tut2_main.sk:469: ADVANCE_MONARCHY not found in AdvanceDB"
(Also 472: ADVANCE_DEMOCRACY, 474: ADVANCE_FASCISM, 476: ADVANCE_CORPORATE_REPUBLIC, 477: ADVANCE_TECHNOCRACY, and 478: ADVANCE_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY.)

I loaded tut2_main.slc into Notepad. It has this reference (only) to Monarchy:
"//any govt adv discd
HandleEvent(GrantAdvance) 'TNewGovt' post {
if(IsHumanPlayer(player[0])) {
advance[0] = value[0];
if(advance[0].type == AdvanceDB(ADVANCE_MONARCHY)
|| advance[0].type == AdvanceDB(ADVANCE_THEOLOGY)
...
|| advance[0].type == AdvanceDB(ADVANCE_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY)) {
Message(player[0], 'TMNewGovt');
DisableTrigger('TNewGovt');"

AdvanceLists.txt contains Monarchy; MM2_AdvanceLists.txt doesn't. Maybe that's the AdvanceDB it refers to.


Hah! It doesn't give errors when I load a game, only when I "launch" a new one. (It also turns Tutorials on, changes my game gender and probably other things I haven't noticed. ??)

I wonder if this counts as working in the wild world of CTP2 mods. If someone here has played enough MedMod2 to know, please tell me -- is this a bug that needs to be fixed because it will ruin the game later, or is it something one just has to live with?

I'm going to play it and hope for the latter on the assumptions that "tut" is short for tutorial and that it's therefore unlikely to be able to destroy my game.


And my thanks for the help, particularly for the off-topic parts.

	04-07-2004 14:22									#16
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quote: ... one MedMod2 folder contains a ctp2_data folder inside another ctp2_data folder and CTP2 doesn't. Maybe MedMod2 expects that?

No, this shouldn't be the case. All the modded files (with the "prefix" MM2_*.*) should be in

code:
...\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\default\gamedata

and

code:
...\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\default\aidata

and

code:
...\Call To Power\ctp2_data\languagefolder(e.g. english)\gamedata

Additional sprites need to go to

code:
...\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\default\graphics\sprites

and pictures to

code:

...\Call To Power 2\ctp2_data\default\graphics\pictures

There should remain no MedMod- (or any other Mod's) files outside this structure.
The missing government-advances indicate that MM2_Advance.txt can't be found in the one and only ...\default\gamedata folder.
-- Edit: I am not sure about this one, but as far as I remember the tutorial SLIC (tut2_main.slc) is included by the hard-coded game engine when you play at "beginner"-level. In this case it would be clear that it can't find the default governments because MedMod introduces different governments. If I remember more or less correctly trying to play MedMod at a higher level could help - there's also a userprofile-option "TutorialAdvice=No", maybe this would deactivate tut2_main.slc, too (otherwise you would need a modded tut2_main.slc but no Mod provides that because all the modders around assume that nobody wants to play Mods at "beginner" level ). end Edit --
As for loading a saved game: Whenever something has been changed in the SLIC (*.slc) and database (*.txt) files you need to reloadslic (press the apostrophe-key »'«, the chatbox appears, type »/reloadslic« and enter). You need to do that because all SLIC and database-information is stored in the savegame - therefore you always keep the SLIC and DB-values you started the game with until you /reloadslic. Note that sometimes/often reloadslic doesn't work properly in the sense that it doesn't (and cannot) always reconstruct the information kept in arrays and variables in the way it is intended and needed for a particular Mod.
I recommend putting all MM2_*.*-files into the matching folders as listed above, not to change any of the file's content, and trying to start a new game with DebugSlic=No, if error messages still pop up re-check if all files included in the MedMod-ZIP-packages are placed exclusively in one of the folders listed above and try to launch a new game again (a note on *.tga and *.spr-files: If you get error messages about missing graphics or sprites you can put them into the according folder even during the game without the need of /reloadslic).
I really hope you can get a game running and enjoy it - and I know this can be a little bit discouraging at the beginning . But you will certainly get used to it and in some years you can teach the next generation lessons about "how to get the stuff probably working".

	09-07-2004 23:50									#17
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I guess that your problem is that you are starting on too low a difficulty level, as BureauBert is suggesting.

	10-07-2004 00:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by BureauBert I am not sure about this one, but as far as I remember the tutorial SLIC (tut2_main.slc) is included by the hard-coded game engine when you play at "beginner"-level.

That's wrong the tut2_main.slc is not included by the hard encoded game engine, it is part of the gamefile.txt as well as the sript.slc Wes just did not provide any modified version of this file.

quote: Originally posted by BureauBert As for loading a saved game: Whenever something has been changed in the SLIC (*.slc) and database (*.txt) files you need to reloadslic (press the apostrophe-key »'«, the chatbox appears, type »/reloadslic« and enter). You need to do that because all SLIC and database-information is stored in the savegame - therefore you always keep the SLIC and DB-values you started the game with until you /reloadslic.

That's wrong for the DB-values they are always loaded from the database otherwise you could continue your game on GoodMod that was saved on the original game, but in fact if you try something like this the game crashes. This is only an issure with strings.

-Martin