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Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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Well, no wonder, if that's their attitude!

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Hong Kong is a model for capitalist enterprise.

Are you sure socialist Canada would be ready for these radical ideas?


A simple income tax system is more of a left wing idea. The people who would oppose it the most are corporate execs.

A lot of stuff that Hong Kong does should be avoided like the plague. There are no competition laws so cartels exist in most of the local industries. Our streets are jammed with tree-quarter empty buses because there are three bus companies, plus independent minibuses.

On the other hand, the simple tax system makes it easy for unemployed people to start their own companies. Just get a licence, buy some stock and rent store space. Most people do their own accounting books. Try doing that in Canada. As an NDPer, one of Canada's biggest problems is its high unemployment rates and people trapped in the poverty circle. They'd be better off if they could start their own business. It's not that simple, but reducing the barriers is better than raising them.

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So the solution for the NDPers is to have people own their own business and become filthy rich?

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Try doing that in Canada.


My dad does. He likes to do mine for me, so I don't do my own.

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More accurate would be the NDP never wins.


Of course, but the Tories won't either. Especially, with Harper in charge, just itching to persecute homosexuals, Francophones and homosexuals. He should move to the US where he'd be more at home (even though they'd think he's a pinko).

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Of course, but the Tories won't either. Especially, with Harper in charge, just itching to persecute homosexuals, Francophones and homosexuals. He should move to the US where he'd be more at home (even though they'd think he's a pinko).


You'd have a better audience as a caricature in the Toronto Star's 2nd page cartoon.

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I don't see how this discussion matters at all.

The people who live west of Ontario simply do not matter in Canadian politics right now because there aren't enough of them. Quebec and Ontario run things and the rest of you will just have to live with it for the time being.

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And what's even funnier is that the Liberals have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and it still hasn't done the Tories much good. Even Joe Clark would rather vote for the Liberals.

It'd be even funnier if Harper started ranting about closer ties with the US. That will go over like a lead balloon the way things are right now.

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Nope. Haven't made it to editorial page quality yet.

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Especially, with Harper in charge, just itching to persecute homosexuals, Francophones and homosexuals. He should move to the US where he'd be more at home (even though they'd think he's a pinko).


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Even Joe Clark would rather vote for the Liberals.


I was unaware that Joe Clark was Francophone, or homosexual.

And you repeated homosexual. For emphasis, perhaps?

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Why don't you two just give up and enjoy the prosperity and tolerance the Liberals bring to Canada. The country has never had a better PM than Pierre Trudeau and it's probably better for everyone if Canada's fundie lunatics, racists, right wing loons and gun nuts (in other words Albertans) are politically ostracised.

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The country has never had a better PM than Pierre Trudeau


NEP anybody?

I was unaware that Kiwis had particular fondness for PET.

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if Canada's fundie lunatics, racists, right wing loons and gun nuts (in other words Albertans)


With a rant like that you should stand as one of the Lib nominees. Send a letter to Martin and he may consider you.

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So the solution for the NDPers is to have people own their own business and become filthy rich?


Most people who open a small business do not become filthy rich.

The underlying belief of the NDP is to ensure all Canadians have a good lifestyle and to eliminate poverty. If helping people start a business helps achieve this goal then it should be done.

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Most people who open a small business do not become filthy rich.


Is there something wrong with being filthy rich?

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There's a reason they call it filthy.

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But those are mere murmurs from the peons.

Who cares about them?

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Don't worry Ben. The NDP cares about you.

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I'm sure they do.

I think they'd be rather pleased if I were gone.

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Hong Kong is a model for capitalist enterprise.

Are you sure socialist Canada would be ready for these radical ideas?


Hong Kong also doesn't have assloads of wasteful rural towns and suburbia that real cities have to support.

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You'd have a better audience as a caricature in the Toronto Star's 2nd page cartoon.


Toronto Star does not have 2nd page cartoons. o_0

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Damn! Aggy will be a cartoon in search of a page, then.

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Commies are loonies to many on the right. Many on the left consider religious people to be loonies.


It's not limited to the left.

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Christian Heritage folks count as loonies?



Yup.

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I suppose you would be well informed of their policies, Skywalker.

Why are they loonies?

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I suppose you would be well informed of their policies, Skywalker.

Why are they loonies?


We are all loonies.

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I suppose you would be well informed of their policies, Skywalker.

Why are they loonies?


We are all loonies.


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A simple income tax system is more of a left wing idea. The people who would oppose it the most are corporate execs.


That's strange. Most of people who have argued for it, at least in the US, have been right wing types like Steve Forbes.

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Ottawa making changes to gun registry
Last Updated Thu, 20 May 2004 15:45:29
OTTAWA - The federal government has announced changes to its controversial gun registry, just days before an expected election call.


"Canadians have made it clear that they want a system of gun control that focuses on the criminal use of firearms," Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan said Thursday. "We believe that these changes will do that."

The Liberals announced an end to fees for registering guns and transferring their ownership, though the change won't be retroactive.

And contrary to some reports, it will still be a criminal offence not to register your gun.

The package will also include stronger measures to help law enforcement agencies deal with gun crime and smuggling. Criminal Code penalties for possession of loaded handguns in public places will be beefed up.

And included in the announcement is a plan to support police with three new ballistic information systems to match bullets with weapons.

The new systems will be located in Halifax, Regina and Vancouver. Similar systems already exist in Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa.

The gun registry program has come under fire for its spiralling cost overruns, expected to reach $1 billion by 2005.

When first announced by Ottawa in 1995, it was estimated the registry would cost taxpayers a maximum of $2 million, with most of the estimated $119 million cost expected to be recovered by registration fees.


Treasury Board President Reg Alcock said costs for the registry are being brought under control. He said the annual cost to taxpayers peaked at $48 million in the 2001/02 fiscal year, but it's now down to $33 million.

Alcock announced a cap of $25 million per year on the amount Ottawa will contribute to the registry.

The changes follow a three-month national review by Liberal cabinet minister Albina Guarnieri.

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I suppose you would be well informed of their policies, Skywalker.

Why are they loonies?


Hint: it's not the "heritage"

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And which crimes are the sole areas of minors?


"sole area"? None.

I would put petty theft in the category of crime often committed by children however.

 
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