17-05-2004 11:51									#1
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I have been trying to play a game with champion units, have not been able to succed except through a cheat. When I start a new game, selecting custom. Taking only Warlord and the rest Life books. I still cannot get Crusades. Why?

	17-05-2004 18:33									#2
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You have been unlucky. I have chosen warlord and 4 life books and have gotten Crusade. What difficulty level are you on? The rewards you get for defeating nodes and monsters seem to be better the harder they are. I would also try playing with strong magic nodes. That seems to result in tougher monsters guarding the nodes.

	17-05-2004 19:30									#3
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Crusade is Very Rare Life spell. You must have 10 Life books to guarantee it 100%. With 3 life books you have 10% chance to have it for research. So as pchang said it is just a matter of luck. The more life books you have, the better the chance. Else you must seek it as a reward from special locations, or obtain it from an enemy wizard.

	17-05-2004 20:46									#4
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Even if Crusade is in your list of researchable spells, you will probably have to research a lot of other spells before you're able to research it. I don't know what the algorithm is for selecting the eight spells that can be researched, but it seems heavily biased toward lower-level spells.

	18-05-2004 06:15									#5
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I have notice the more you research arcane or rare spells, the more likly you are to get another.

Well if it is luck, then 3 out of 3 legit games with 9 Life books and warlord on Hard must be bad. Never made it past hard w/o cheating. Always ran out of magic, gold, or the AI just rushed me too fast. I hate it when they cast meteor storm.

	19-05-2004 11:18									#6
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Sure, from my observations when you research a spell, with high probability you will get another from the same realm, and similar in research cost.
If you want, start a game with the suggested starting picks that has Crusade in the available spells. (you can know it very easily from the start because the hieroglyphs in the spell book can be translated - just order the book by realms via the options and look at the last life spells - there must be a spell which name is one word, 7 letters).
Make the game at impossible difficulty, though. I wouldn't bother with something less ;-)

Then post the game here and may be we can try to play it with making some logs ....

	19-05-2004 17:38									#7
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Warlord, Myrran
5 life books (heal, just cause, heroism, guardian spirit)
1 blue book
Draconians

Build a swordsman right away and cast heroism - explore and conquer neutral towns

Build up quickly and eventually go around with a killer stack of adamantium airships. Between research and killing every node and ruin, there is a high likelihood you will pick up crusade.

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Find the other Myrran wizard as quickly as possible and kill him with 2 heroism enhanced Doom Drakes.

	19-05-2004 19:11									#8
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quote: Originally posted by pchang guardian spirit

Why do you pick this spell? I don't think I've ever summoned a guardian spirit; that spell is, IMO, the least useful common spell.

I usually play with small landmass, which results in only a few neutral cities (sometimes none at all). Since the AIs are so slow at conquering them, neutral cities are a big help to the human player. Early conquest of lots of neutral cities is, pretty much by itself, a guarantee of a winning game (unless they're Klackons or Gnolls ).

	19-05-2004 19:19									#9
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Sure, endurance will be better for this strat ... Guardian spirits are only good with the invulnerable guardian spirit strat ...

I like very much playing dwarves:
Myrran, Warlord, Alchemy, Archmage, 4 Life.

	19-05-2004 21:16									#10
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quote: Originally posted by bakalov If you want, start a game with the suggested starting picks that has Crusade in the available spells. (you can know it very easily from the start because the hieroglyphs in the spell book can be translated - just order the book by realms via the options and look at the last life spells - there must be a spell which name is one word, 7 letters).

OK, I'm confused. How do you go about that? The only time I recall seeing the heiroglyphs is when you get a new spell, and then it's just for a second.

	19-05-2004 22:17									#11
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FB - hit F3 for the research spell book, then turn the left-hand page. Spells you have discovered are in clear text, undiscovered spells are in the glyphs. Each glyph represents a normal letter, and in many cases they bear a moderate resemblance to the letter substituted. It's pretty easy to break the cipher - just look for Summon Hero and Summon Champion in the Summoning section, Spell of Mastery in the Special Spells section, etc.

	20-05-2004 10:54									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Why do you pick this spell? I don't think I've ever summoned a guardian spirit; that spell is, IMO, the least useful common spell. I usually play with small landmass, which results in only a few neutral cities (sometimes none at all). Since the AIs are so slow at conquering them, neutral cities are a big help to the human player. Early conquest of lots of neutral cities is, pretty much by itself, a guarantee of a winning game (unless they're Klackons or Gnolls ).

I always take Guardian Spirit, that way I don't need units to protect a node.

The AI spends a lot of mana trying to defeat G. Spirits.

ACK!

	21-05-2004 04:52									#13
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That's why I pick guardian spirit. Otherwise, in the mid game, you have to devote troops to defending and retaking nodes. It is probably more efficient to pick endurance instead, but I'm lazy and mid game defense of nodes can be a pain in the butt.

	21-05-2004 10:44									#14
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Your node can be taken in spite of having a guardian spirit in it ... And allowing the enemy to accumulate troops in nodes gives you a good opportunity to gain some extra fame. At some point of the game I am starting to look for stacks of four or more troops very intensively ....

	21-05-2004 17:23									#15
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The enemy still stack units on nodes. However, with a guardian spirit, you can take your time in rooting them out since it takes a lot longer for the AI to take over the node from you.

	21-05-2004 18:58									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV FB - hit F3 for the research spell book, then turn the left-hand page. Spells you have discovered are in clear text, undiscovered spells are in the glyphs. Each glyph represents a normal letter, and in many cases they bear a moderate resemblance to the letter substituted. It's pretty easy to break the cipher - just look for Summon Hero and Summon Champion in the Summoning section, Spell of Mastery in the Special Spells section, etc.

Wow!

I never knew you could do that, wander through your entire unresearched spellbook. And the cipher is really not that hard to break, once you know the limited number of spells they could be representing. I notice Prayer and High Prayer are in the Enchantment section. It would take some work, though. I suspect the capital letters could be different, complicating the matter.

On the Other Hand, Crusade DOES seem to be hard to get with warlord and 8 life books. I tried restarting 5 times, then tried with 11 life to be sure it would be in there and I would recognize it, and then restarted 2 more times with warlord, 8 life, before I got it.

So It CAN be done, but the game seems to select against it, for some reason.

	21-05-2004 20:00									#17
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Try with 9 books - I got it from the first attempt ... Btw you can switch off the spell book ordering option and then your spells will be ordered by realm not by type. Look for Crusade at the end of life section.

	21-05-2004 21:02									#18
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Don't forget that you get a lot of spells from conquering ruins and nodes. Be aggressive about going after them and you stand a much better chance of getting Crusade (especially if you only have 1 color of books).

	22-05-2004 07:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by bakalov Try with 9 books - I got it from the first attempt ... Btw you can switch off the spell book ordering option and then your spells will be ordered by realm not by type. Look for Crusade at the end of life section.

Yeah, but the idea that Nimrod started this thread was to play with champion units. For that you need Warlord AND Crusade. and choosing Warlord you can only get 8 books, without cheating.

Of course, you can still hope to pick up Warlord from a ruin or node, but it's hard to count on.

	23-05-2004 10:48									#20
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I thought an elemental wizard might be fun to play. 3 books in Nature, Chaos, and Sorcery plus Warlord. Finding lots of nice spells in nodes and ruins, including 1 Life book. Trading with wizards was easy until they decided not to like me. I might not be able to get Champion, but Ultra-Elite is better than nothing.

	25-05-2004 14:18									#21
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Father Beast - Warlord is 2 picks, and you start with 11 - so Warlord + 9 books is ok (no cheating here).

	25-05-2004 14:25									#22
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Nimrod - playing multi colored usually is a very easy game. You will probably get LOTS of spells from trade. If you have problem with the enemy wizards, cast Aura of Magesty several times ... You can get additional books and retorts from the various map locations, mainly from nodes, until you have 13 books and 6 retorts. Having 3 books in a realm gives you access to all of the spells form the realm (through research, trade, rewards or conquest).

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Thats why I went elemental.

	26-05-2004 16:16									#24
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quote: Originally posted by bakalov Father Beast - Warlord is 2 picks, and you start with 11 - so Warlord + 9 books is ok (no cheating here).

My apologies. I was thinking Warlord was 3 picks for some reason....

	01-06-2004 05:24									#25
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Maybe you confused it with Myrran.