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Builder is offline Builder

Feb 2001
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Post  Old Post 29-09-2000 09:14
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suggestion Get a bigger avatar today!

curently the maximum amount of post in every page is 50.

to me 40+ posts page take way too long time to load and probably other people have this problem too.

so the suggestion is to decrease it.

IMO 40 is the number that will allow normal reading without switching pages and also a relatively fast loading page to the ones who have slow modems.

your opinion?

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I would suggest that rather than the number of posts on each page being an issue, it should be the length of the page that denotes when to start a new one. The reason for this is that, yes, 50 long posts can take a while to load, but OTOH, if they are 50 one-sentence posts, it would take practically no time at all.

I don't know of the practicality of this, but surely it would be better??

Builder is offline Builder

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you are right
the page loads long because of the amount of data in it but it will be much easier to change the number of posts in page than to determine them by the amount of the words/letters.

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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by mark13 on 09-28-2000 12:22 PM</font>
I would suggest that rather than the number of posts on each page being an issue, it should be the length of the page that denotes when to start a new one.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>not doable....

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Post  Old Post 29-09-2000 02:29
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Full PM-box? Change here!

Maybe you could change it for each individual forum. For instance, in the MP forums you could increase it, as the forum is likely to contain more short posts, and in the strategy forum you might decrease it, for the opposite reason.

Just a thought.......

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Builder is offline Builder

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lol

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Lews Therìn is offline Lews Therìn
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Post  Old Post 29-09-2000 09:53
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Full PM-box? Change here!

Actually, it is doable, but the code needed to do it would probably take so long to run that the overall thread load time would be slower.

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MidKnight Lament is offline MidKnight Lament
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I know this has been mentioned before and came under a lot of criticism, but I think it's a pretty good idea. Forty posts per page is probably about right.

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Murgatroyd is offline Murgatroyd
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Feb 2000
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If this were implemented, would the thread length limit be 3 pages, or 150 (160?) posts?

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Post  Old Post 30-09-2000 02:25
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well, I dont really understand why ming closes 4 pages threads.

but there is no big difference between 150 and 160.
or even 200 if you wanna be generous.

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Murgatroyd is offline Murgatroyd
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The reason for the length limit on threads is simple: Long threads (the 29-page Fourth Coffee Shop being an extreme example) slowed down the forum scripts. I don't particularly like the limit, but I understand the necessity. I was wondering whether the number of pages or the number of posts was the deciding factor.

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I wonder why the chose 4 pages.

is there a difference between 4 and 5 or 6,7,8 pages.

I understand that 29, and IMO more then 10 pages will slow down the script, but why the chose 4 and not 5 for example?

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oh yeah, the old coffee shop days were horrible to post in

mark13 is offline mark13
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Got spare money?

I think that, as well as slowing it down, they also have a tendency to crash (remember the 20-odd-page coffee shop that succumbed to the curse?).

I think 4 pages is about right - starting a second thread is reasonable after that - come on, it's hardly a lot of trouble, is it? IMHO, Mark and Dan are doing a sterling job on these forums as it is.

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On the original question of Builder's suggestion:

I would support a limit of 40 posts per page instead of 50. The reason for this is partly that until recently I had immense problems of loading longer threads at work, due to the firewall maintining a 50 kb limit on downloads. That has been resolved now, but the fact remains that I've felt how frustrating it is not being able to load threads with more than 30-35 replies.

40 posts instead of 50 seems like a reasonable compromize, don't you think?

I think MarkG only commented on the question of limiting the length of the page, not on the question of a 40 post limit instead of 50. Am I right Mark?

Edit: Typo
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Legman (edited October 19, 2000).]</font>

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40 is the best solution IMO.

Narck is offline Narck
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I prefer 50

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Put an end to popups!

maybe coz it loads fast for YOU?

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Builder on 10-19-2000 04:00 PM</font>
maybe coz it loads fast for YOU?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Actually, I only have a 56K connection

Here's a thought: open up threads in several windows, by the time you've opened the last one, the first one is done loading and ready to be read.
Whether a thread has 40 or 50 replies, if you have a slow connection you're going to have to wait a few seconds anyway, so I'd rather wait a little bit longer and then read the whole thing in one or 2 pages than not wait so long (but still have to wait!) and have to view it in 2 or 3 pages, which will require me to click on more pages, and wait at more times for a page to load.

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Why not set it to 150 then Narck? (don't answer that.)

40 posts per page seems like a reasonable number. Not too far from the present 50 posts per page - yet still an act of obligingness to those not fortunate enough to have a fast connection.

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56K???

wow, youre lucky!

my poor 33K modem works really hard for those 50 posts threads.

Narck is offline Narck
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 10-19-2000 04:29 PM</font>
Why not set it to 150 then Narck? (don't answer that.)
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>...



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Didn't MarkG say somewhere that Mozilla (or something like that - could have been Netscape 6pr3) loaded this site's threads post-by-post?

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Narck is offline Narck
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by UltraSonix on 10-20-2000 02:34 AM</font>
Didn't MarkG say somewhere that Mozilla (or something like that - could have been Netscape 6pr3) loaded this site's threads post-by-post?

<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Yes, Netscape 6... I downloaded it for just that reason... and then it didn't work for me

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Don't use NS6PR3, there's too much bloat in it. Use Mozilla Milestone 18.

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*Bump*

We still haven't had a reply from the admins on the question of setting the limit of replies per page lower than the current 50. MarkG's reply only dealt with the question of limiting the length of the page.

I say go with 40 replies per page instead of 50. Will make it much easier for people with slow connections or firewalls - and wouldn't be too much of a burden for the rest of us, IMO.

Edit: Typo as usual
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Legman (edited October 31, 2000).]</font>

Builder is offline Builder

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Increase Your PM Length

MarkG, we're waiting...

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For me it is my slow ISP rather than modem speed that slows down the page loading. I would certainly support the shorter 40 post limit and the more sensible length limit too, if we can persuade MarkG that it's doable.

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It is doable!!!

Narck is offline Narck
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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Supposing the admins would be willing to change this, perhaps we should have a poll to find out how many ppl really want this.

 
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