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Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Nov 2001
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  Old Post 19-05-2004 08:18
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Wondering if I can interest anyone in a VS AI game. Say, 5 or 6 of us on a Large/Huge map VS the world (thinking locked alliances) on Deity or Sid difficulty.

I'm also thinking of a custom edited map to setup start locations and possibly initial isolation settings.

Anyway, so anybody interested?

- Z

Dr. A. Cula is offline Dr. A. Cula
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Nov 2002
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  Old Post 19-05-2004 12:19
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Count me in. I find demigod and Sid much too difficult. Maybe a cooperative match would be easier.

May I suggest some kind of accelerated startup? Maybe each player (human & AI) would start with, say, 3 or 4 towns (below size 6), some roads between them, a couple of workers and a few defensive units. That way we can skip the first turns of the game were you just wait for that first warrior to come out while your worker is building your first road.

If there are others interested in this I think we should have a vote on this matter.

sabrewolf is offline sabrewolf

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Jun 2002
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it sounds very interesting! count me in too!
but please not huge... every PBEM is destined to die sooner or later. with huge maps i presume it's sooner

Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Nov 2001
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  Old Post 20-05-2004 05:06
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That sounds good Drac, if no one else minds, I'm game for that startup.

As for size, how about Large then SW? Anything smaller and it's just going to be too crowded for this kind of game I think. But if everyone wants Standard, I'm alright with that.

Btw, here's a pic of a generated map I spliced together:

- Z

Attachment: vs_ai_6.jpg
This has been downloaded 61 time(s).

sabrewolf is offline sabrewolf

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Jun 2002
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Put an end to popups!

large sounds great! and a faster start is good too!

however, better not 4 pre-placed cities, but 4 settlers... so everyone can decide for himself where to put the cities
maybe additionally, take accellerated production. i'm quite fond of it in PBEM (makes everything less tedious)

this map looks fine too, but the continent is a bit far away from the archipelagio. you could tweak in an island in the middle so suicide curraghs have a chance

Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Nov 2001
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What effect does accelerated production produce? The only reason I ask is because with the huge advantages that Deity and Sid difficulty gives to the AI, I'm thinking it might give too much of an advantage (especially considering it's essentially 2:1).

As for the distance from the continent to the archipelago, that was intentional, to give us some breathing room until Magnetism so we could build a decent chance at survival.

- Z

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Nov 2002
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  Old Post 20-05-2004 12:26
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So, who gets the islands and who gets the continent?

Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Nov 2001
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  Old Post 20-05-2004 13:32
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We get the continent

- Z

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zapaan: without a connection, the AI civs will be at magnetism before we even start the medieval ages

best exploit for having a chance at sid-level: have islands with distances of 4 ocean tiles. the AI won't establish contact with others but the human player will through out suicide galleys to contact them all

Dr. A. Cula is offline Dr. A. Cula
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Nov 2002
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How many AIs are you planning to have there? The islands look a bit small for a large number of AIs. They might get bogged down in endless wars with each other, thus making our task too easy.

Aqualung71 is offline Aqualung71
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Oct 2002
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And after we kill the Sid-AI's, we all turn on each other? Sounds like fun!!!!

Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Sabrewolf: I'm pretty sure we're going to get nailed on the tech levels though I'm also fairly sure that we'll be able to do better than that if we co-ordinate research into simultaneous branches and sharing tech as soon as we achieve it (amongst ourselves). 6 branches of simultaneous tech research is about as equivalent as an AI civ's tech advancement on the high end difficulty I think. I'm fairly sure we can keep reasonably close to the AI's level of advancement if we work together properly.

Remember that we're not playing solo, we're working as a unified whole. I really don't think we need to worry about having to use AI behaviour exploits to come out on top.

Drac: Default was going to be 10, but we can reduce it if the general concencus is that it's too much. As for being too easy, I thought the same thing, which is why they'd be set to locked alliances. Unless everyone wants them to be unaligned.

Aqualung: Well, since we'd be set to a locked alliance as well, we can't very well turn on each other (I don't think anyway).

So it looks like we need just 2 more to start. Anyone else interested?

Oh and what civs did you guys have in mind? We'll need to think about how to complement each others' abilities. Thoughts?

- Z

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so?

Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Well, it looks like we're it then. Guess we should go with a Standard sized map.

What races do you all want to go with?

- Z

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* sabrewolf choses the netherlands (agricultural and seafaring) ... i'll do the philosophy/literature/great library beeline

someone who likes religious can do the monarchy beeline and another can take scientific, for the later research. (can be the same person)

we may need a second seafarer which could be a commercial one who can steal techs from the AI when the GL wears off.

Krill is offline Krill
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Dec 2003
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  Old Post 28-05-2004 01:40
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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Scuse me, got space for another player?

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i think so

but it's Zapaan's (thread starter) call

Zapaan is offline Zapaan
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Nov 2001
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Always room for another player What civ did you have in mind?

As for myself, I can do Persia for the scientific kick though if you ask me, on anything higher than Monarch, the scientific trait is something of a waste. I've always found the agricultural, or commercial traits to be much more beneficial long-term.

- Z

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How we going on this one? If I'm in, give me the Celts.

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Hi, I'm looking for another game. I'm partial to the Portuguese for a quick lighthouse.

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Khannalxytys is offline Khannalxytys
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I'd be in if my C3C wasn't bugging me with the DX :P If I can get it fixed in time I'll jump in. If not, hf

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