21-05-2004 00:15									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Do I count as a n00b? Yes, Honghu might be a n00b, but I still have close to 2.3K posts in a little over a year. Plus I post mainly OT now, so my ppd would be far higher if I did not.

Oh yeah swearing off OT is definitely key to getting post count up, assuming you have a RL "life".


I note Jamski is posting in OT, now that hes made deity.

	21-05-2004 11:49									#32
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so I should give up OT?

I don't think I can.

	21-05-2004 11:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Do I count as a n00b? Yes, Honghu might be a n00b, but I still have close to 2.3K posts in a little over a year. Plus I post mainly OT now, so my ppd would be far higher if I did not.

Anyone with a 21st century reg date is a n00b.

	21-05-2004 20:53									#34
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quote: And remember when you were new here?

Yeah... but at that time there wasn't a unified OT. I was in the CTP forums, talking about how the game was going to suck (I was right), and then went to their OT to debate how communist sucks. A few months after that the Civ OT and CTP OT merged.

	21-05-2004 20:57									#35
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There used to be more than one OTF

	21-05-2004 21:03									#36
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Yep. Then Markos decided to combine them. I think it was 2 years later (or so) when he decided that post counts in the one OT shouldn't count.

	21-05-2004 21:05									#37
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Were there any major difference between the two?

	21-05-2004 21:06									#38
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Never heard about having two different OT's on 'Poly either... When was that?

	21-05-2004 21:06									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master There used to be more than one OTF

Well, they weren't called OTF's... However, Both Civ and CTP had "general" forums, which were pretty much about as off topic as you can get. Political discussion ruled the game general forums... and that's what lead to the creation of the OTF... to get all that stuff out of the gaming forums. And it was kind of a "shot gun wedding" because there was very little crossover between the Civ and CTP communities. So when the OTF started, it was a forced mixing of two very different communities.

	21-05-2004 21:17									#40
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This is becoming a particularly delicious kind of spam. Posts in OTC do not count; but +1's can be had for institutional memory about OTC in this forum.


Makes one go ummm.

Monk

	21-05-2004 21:23									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Well, they weren't called OTF's... However, Both Civ and CTP had "general" forums, which were pretty much about as off topic as you can get. Political discussion ruled the game general forums... and that's what lead to the creation of the OTF... to get all that stuff out of the gaming forums. And it was kind of a "shot gun wedding" because there was very little crossover between the Civ and CTP communities. So when the OTF started, it was a forced mixing of two very different communities.

Makes more sense now

	21-05-2004 21:24									#42
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Is there any actual reason that posts here count, but not ones in the OTF?

	21-05-2004 21:35									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Is there any actual reason that posts here count, but not ones in the OTF?

It's a games forum.

Monk

	21-05-2004 22:09									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk It's a games forum. Monk

where can i buy the game called "community"?

	21-05-2004 22:20									#45
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http://apolyton.net/members

	21-05-2004 22:39									#46
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* Paddy the Scot pours Joncha a long cold beer

well said

	21-05-2004 22:40									#47
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@Monk: And Apolyton/Community is about gaming?

	21-05-2004 23:11									#48
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Ming, IIRC, there WAS a CTP OT. Markos did it because we clogged up the general forum too much (well mostly me and Red Trotskyite... that bastard !) .

	21-05-2004 23:15									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ming, IIRC, there WAS a CTP OT. Markos did it because we clogged up the general forum too much (well mostly me and Red Trotskyite... that bastard !) .

Shows you how much I knew about the CTP bunch... for the Civer's we did the same for Civ General forums... and I don't remember him creating a Civ OT... we just finally got evicted to the Site OTF when it was created. And then we got to meet people like you and Red Trotskyite for the first time

	21-05-2004 23:28									#50
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quote: I note Jamski is posting in OT, now that hes made deity.

Well, Eventis was down for ages, and I just needed somewhere to spam.

However, I found people's opinions in the OTF so entertaining and exotic I thought I'd post a bit more there. (They're only pretending to support Bush to troll people, right? Or have I really fallen to the depths?) Deity popping up recently is just one of those things that everyone seems excited about except me *shrugs*

-Jam

	22-05-2004 00:19									#51
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Some stats:

Search users where join date greater than 2004-01-01: 6158 (11% of total users)
Search users where login date greater than 2004-01-01: 11125 (21% of total users)
Search users where join date greater than 2004-01-01 AND post count greater than 0: 708 (1% of total users, 11% of users who joined this year)
Search users where postcount EQUALS zero: 33665 (64% of total users).
Search users where postcount EQUALS one: 4570 (6% of total users)
Search users where last login less than 2003-01-01: 20180 (38% of total users)

So, this should give us some idea to the active user base. See, a whopping 70% of users either never posted or posted only once. Besides, if 38% last visited before 2003, that also gives a nice idea. Another tidbit is that only 4% (4.06%, so barely got to that point even) of users have more than 100 posts - and I don't think that anyone less than that can be considered an active poster, with maybe a few exceptions of people who only post in the OTF, yet actively so (Pekka: 60 posts).

Now, some of the people among those 100 posters have left, too. 894 posters of them haven't logged in this year (that's 41% of those with 100 posts). That leaves us with 1238 who visited this year and have over 100 posts. That's just 2.35% of the site users. So, I think that it's most reasonable to assume the active userbase within under 3% of total users, 1200-1400 people.

Mind you, of those, there are some who only post in one or two forum. That means that you're most likely to only know about 300-400 posters by name. Like, if you don't play Civ 3, you won't know the majority of those who post exclusively in Civ 3 forums.

	22-05-2004 00:58									#52
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quote: we just finally got evicted to the Site OTF when it was created. And then we got to meet people like you and Red Trotskyite for the first time

I swear it wasn't my fault!

Though it is funny I came from the CTP OT, when I hated the game even then (before it came out). Yo Yo Yo Hey told me to come to this Apolyton forum to tell the CTPers how much their game was going to suck (a continuing practice which would get him into trouble at a later time ) . I was a Civ/SMAC guy, but didn't really realize you guys had those things .

	22-05-2004 01:15									#53
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I didn't realize there were communities here besides Civ. We had a hard core group of Civers back then, and the OTF was quite a shock when it dawned on us that other people were actually using the site

	22-05-2004 03:03									#54
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Okay, thank you for the data solver, If I follow it, then I am led to believe:

52470 members have joined since before 2-15-1999

6158 users joined since 1-1-2004
708 of those posters have posted since 1-1-2004
5450 of the new members have 0 posts
89% of the new members have 0 posts
11125 users have visited since 1-1-2004

33665 users have 0 posts (64%)

AND, when the 6158 newbies are subtracted from that:
46312 Total Members
28215 Members with 0 Posts

ONLY (61% of members have 0 Posts)


Therefore, there is some statistical evidence to back up my claim about these newbies not posting as much.
What I would like to know is how many of these newbies have 10-30 posts as opposed to members who have been with apolyton before.
Now, I know this is not the most statistically accurate method (since members from 1999 have had 4 years to post, whereas members from 2004 have had 4 months to post)
but it might give us at least a tenuous idea of the situation at hand.

I would gather the data myself but my connection is *$#* slow

	22-05-2004 03:10									#55
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Well if they have no posts we're not scaring them off by laughing at their posts.

	22-05-2004 03:22									#56
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But perhaps by not seeming welcoming or seeming too cliquish

the extra registrations could also have to deal with lurkers who are forced to register by the new server to view any threads past the first page in the OT

	22-05-2004 03:44									#57
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How about a special noob forum?

	22-05-2004 04:20									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley How about a special noob forum?

We already have a forum for that... just look at how many times people ask about post stats in this forum

	22-05-2004 04:44									#59
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Hmm... interesting idea Smiley, but I don't really think that such a section is really needed- it would needlessly fragment the community and create more problems in browsing the forum to find threads that people want to discuss.

And also, as Ming has already said...

	22-05-2004 05:10									#60
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How many times has that thread been posted?