20-05-2004 22:18									#1
	My new toy - MS Flight Sim '98 Inflate your Upload Space

Picked it up for $5US, started playing last night.

First flight sim ive played. Im trying to fly the Cessna, am able to take off, can fly straight, still getting the hang of turning, no idea how to land.

The "instructor" is not terribly useful. Good thing I can crash planes with no consequences. The help feature is of limited use also. The keys dont seem to work as the help feature says. I suppose theres support on the net somewhere.


Never played a game that modeled something real this closely, I think.

	21-05-2004 06:55									#2
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So you are using a flight simulator to practice aircraft piloting abilities, and you show no knowledge of landing or any concern over that fact.

TERRORIST

	21-05-2004 06:59									#3
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I can't speak for that particular flight sim, but in my experience landing seems alot more daunting at first then it really is. It's really just a matter of lining up with the runway, slowing down, leveling out and touching the ground at as parallel an angle as possible and shuting off your engines and applying breaks.

	21-05-2004 09:06									#4
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	21-05-2004 09:09									#5
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St Leo in versions after 2001 or if you dl'd a patch, they removed it.

	21-05-2004 11:59									#6
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I actually payed full price for this damn thing back in 98.

Mine didn't come with instructions.

But I never checked if there were instructions on the CD.

Do you have any instructions?

I couldn't find any documentation to actually tell me how to fly . Although I could figure most of the stuff out. But the radio and navigation are the most difficult things. It's kind of hard to fly thousands of miles by line of sight visual references

	21-05-2004 12:01									#7
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also with this game I was able to crash into the Hoover dam with the stunt plane. but that plane is highly manueverable. I doubt it would be that easy with the 707. So I think it's safe from Al Quida- for now.

Landing on a carrier is impossible. I'm convinced of this

	21-05-2004 14:51									#8
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I don't really understand the draw of these games, unless you want to learn in reality and it's a good basic trainer.

	21-05-2004 18:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I actually payed full price for this damn thing back in 98. Mine didn't come with instructions. But I never checked if there were instructions on the CD. Do you have any instructions? I couldn't find any documentation to actually tell me how to fly . Although I could figure most of the stuff out. But the radio and navigation are the most difficult things. It's kind of hard to fly thousands of miles by line of sight visual references

lets see, there are "lesson" flights. You can go as a passenger, and the "instructor" flies the flight plan. Or you can fly as a "student" and the instructor gives you such "helpful" feedback as "youre turning too far" or "raise your pitch". What he doesnt do is tell HOW to avoid rolling over too far when I turn - i still have to figure that out on my own.

	21-05-2004 18:43									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I don't really understand the draw of these games, unless you want to learn in reality and it's a good basic trainer.

1. The vague feeling that im kinda sorta learning a real world skill - even if i never take RL flying lessons, I can now understand what pilots talk about, etc. I mean my cousin is an amateur pilot and now i can talk intelligently to him about his hobby - i have no friends or relations who, say, kill orcs in real life.

2. Suspension of disbelief - I mean aside from the interface itself, theres nothing particularly gamey - which makes it easier to get lost in the game, and therefore a better entertainment. Its alot easier to forget myself flying a plane - then say, trying to level up - trying to level up its hard to forget Im doing something totally artificial to distract myself.

3. Scenery. Its just like cool, taking off from Meigs field, flying over Lake Michigan, turning back to downtown Chicago, and seeing not only the Sears Tower and the Hancock building, but the Standard Oil tower as well.

	21-05-2004 18:44									#11
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Maybe you have to have spent part of your life as "road warrior" traveling on business on a regular basis, to get it.

	21-05-2004 21:17									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident also with this game I was able to crash into the Hoover dam with the stunt plane. but that plane is highly manueverable. I doubt it would be that easy with the 707. So I think it's safe from Al Quida- for now. Landing on a carrier is impossible. I'm convinced of this

I seem to crash into random places - depends where my roll went to far and I lost control of the plane

I flew over midtown Manhattan and crashed, avoiding all the skyscrapers.

Whats really fun is when Ive just crashed, and the control tower (?) is still telling me "watch your altitude" - like d'oh

	22-05-2004 03:26									#13
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark i have no friends or relations who, say, kill orcs in real life.

I think it's about time you moved out from underneath that rock.

	22-05-2004 04:35									#14
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell St Leo in versions after 2001 or if you dl'd a patch, they removed it.

I have '98. Couldn't find Manhattan. Didn't play very long.^-^

	22-05-2004 10:25									#15
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For example Ive already learned why real pilots dont use a keyboard to control their planes

	22-05-2004 10:36									#16
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I agree with St. Leo.

His post was deleted before I read it, but I just know HE WENT THERE !

	22-05-2004 12:19									#17
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yeah I bought a different controller just for this game as well. I don't even think that old flight stick will work with windows XP.

Now I feel like installing it.

I remember back in my commodore 64 I had one of these types of games. I can't remember the name. It starts you off in Chicago O'Hare airport. And everything is green, and you have som weird lines that you have no clue what they are supposed to represent. But I still played the hell out of that game.

As I said, I can land if the land is flat. And I can kind sorta land on runways, although I often run off the runways into the grass . but at least I can land without crashing.

Now if I could master the carrier landing...

	22-05-2004 15:33									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Now if I could master the carrier landing...

It's possible. At least in 5.1 it was...

	22-05-2004 18:00									#19
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i read on another forum some people play virtual airlines online via flight sims. the thing is they fly real routes in real time. la to tokyo is hours of non-stop fun...

	22-05-2004 18:11									#20
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Hmm, methinks I'll stick with the game I play.

	24-05-2004 18:36									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yeah I bought a different controller just for this game as well. I don't even think that old flight stick will work with windows XP.

im reluctant to go out and buy a joystick, just for a game that cost me $5. Maybe I'll try getting it work using the mouse. Meanwhile Ive put it aside, I already got $5 worth of gameplay out of it.

	24-05-2004 20:19									#22
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Another game I threw in the bin, had some fun with the first few hours then got gobsmackingly bored with.

Nothing to race against, nothing to shoot down...

quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark i have no friends or relations who, say, kill orcs in real life.

....that you know of...

	24-05-2004 20:35									#23
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try MS Flight sim 2k2

	25-05-2004 01:31									#24
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quote: Originally posted by alva Another game I threw in the bin, had some fun with the first few hours then got gobsmackingly bored with. Nothing to race against, nothing to shoot down...

Well i suppose you could race against the clock. See how fast you can get from place to place.

Nothing to shoot down. Well, after alot of time playing PG2, and then Imp2, i was in the mood for something with no violence.


Some say, a flight sim. No goals. Well.

My goals - to learn to make controlled turns, such that I can achieve the heading I want. Then, learn to land.

Next. Learn more about aircraft handling, etc. Make a flight plan.

Try flying a harder plane than a Cessna. Try a jumbo jet. Fly under a bridge. Between hirises. Land on a carrier. etc. See the world.

Then there are additional planes to download, airports, scenery. And if im bored with it by that point, i can always move on to a combat flight sim

	25-05-2004 01:52									#25
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I wouldn't neccisarily call all combat flight sims violent.

When flying a (tactical and especially strategical) bomber in WW2 Online, for instance, You're high enough to be removed from the action on the ground (tanks, if you can even spot them, look like ants) and you aren't going to win any dog fights, so you should be trying to stay clear of any enemy aircraft. All you have to do is learn to avoid said aircraft by flying in formation with fighters (and preferably someone controling the rear/side turrets in your bomber), knowing how to drop a bomb with some accuracy, and listening to the guys on the ground to know where to put them. If you're doing it right, you won't ever get face-to-face with an enemy.

	25-05-2004 18:33									#26
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I wouldn't neccisarily call all combat flight sims violent. When flying a (tactical and especially strategical) bomber in WW2 Online, for instance, You're high enough to be removed from the action on the ground (tanks, if you can even spot them, look like ants) and you aren't going to win any dog fights, so you should be trying to stay clear of any enemy aircraft. All you have to do is learn to avoid said aircraft by flying in formation with fighters (and preferably someone controling the rear/side turrets in your bomber), knowing how to drop a bomb with some accuracy, and listening to the guys on the ground to know where to put them. If you're doing it right, you won't ever get face-to-face with an enemy.

Well theres violence, and theres graphic violence. I meant that i wanted a break from even "strategic level violence" or antiseptic violence. I suppose there are some environmentalists and antiglobalists who would consider buring fuel on a pleasure air flight an act of violence, but im not one of them.