20-05-2004 23:50									#1
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I read on an amazon review that if I already owned civ3, the only expansion I would need to get is Conquests and this would have the PTW stuff already in it? Is this true or do I need to get both expansions? I have the basic bare-bones civ3 that I bought when the game came out.

	20-05-2004 23:54									#2
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Yes, conquests has all of the PTW data in the CD. The only thing(s) missing(s) are the scenarios and the extra graphics, but you can download them from the 'net anyway.

	21-05-2004 00:33									#3
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There are a few differences, tho', such as changes to some civilizations attributes. But the differences are so minor as to not matter much.
i.e. Carthage Industrious and Commercial on the PTW disc, but Industrious and Seafaring on C3C.

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Just go the way of conquests

	21-05-2004 02:22									#5
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I think Conquests may not include the PTW editor, and as Krill says it doesn't have the extras.

quote: Originally posted by RMS There are a few differences, tho', such as changes to some civilizations attributes. But the differences are so minor as to not matter much. i.e. Carthage Industrious and Commercial on the PTW disc, but Industrious and Seafaring on C3C.

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In C3C, yes. But there is no difference between fully patched PTW and the PTW that comes on the C3C disk. Carthage is still Ind-Com if you run the PTW executable.

	21-05-2004 22:01									#6
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The extra dinosaur and WWII graphics that came with PTW but are not included in C3C may be DL'd for free at CFC. If memory serves, they're also available at www.civ3.com .

	22-05-2004 02:39									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep there is no difference between fully patched PTW and the PTW that comes on the C3C disk. Carthage is still Ind-Com if you run the PTW executable.

Right--I stand corrected. --RMS

	23-05-2004 09:42									#8
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Yep. Glad I never bought PTW now.

	30-05-2004 15:30									#9
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I did, for some unknown reason. Still conquests is better.

	30-05-2004 15:43									#10
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or does PTW contain conquests?

	30-05-2004 17:25									#11
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I'm glad I bought PTW. I had a year of good gameplay before C3C came out. Easily worth the $20 I paid for it.

Don't, however, buy it now.

	30-05-2004 23:18									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Yep. Glad I never bought PTW now.

I did, even when I knew Conquests was going to include PTW but it was still several months off. I just couldn't wait! (And I think it wasn't until after Christmas that I could get Conquests anyway.)

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	31-05-2004 01:13									#13
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm I'm glad I bought PTW. I had a year of good gameplay before C3C came out. Easily worth the $20 I paid for it.

Agreed.

	31-05-2004 01:26									#14
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Yeah, I bought for €110 on civ3-stuff or something.....
I won't start on how much I paid for my complete civ-collection......

Sid owns me....!

	31-05-2004 01:43									#15
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm I'm glad I bought PTW. I had a year of good gameplay before C3C came out. Easily worth the $20 I paid for it. Don't, however, buy it now.

disagreed.

I didn't play PTW much. Aside from the diplo games.

	31-05-2004 02:41									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep But there is no difference between fully patched PTW and the PTW that comes on the C3C disk. Carthage is still Ind-Com if you run the PTW executable.

Not 100% true. They use different copy protection schemes, and if you want to be able to pot away your PTW disc you shal delete the EXE before installing C3C to make PTW locked to the C3C disc and not the PTW one. (Really good since the CopyProtection of PTW was so confusing anyways)

	31-05-2004 02:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Yeah, I bought for €110 on civ3-stuff or something..... I won't start on how much I paid for my complete civ-collection...... Sid owns me....!

I'm not hot on the cost of games in the €uro-zone, but that seems expensive for a game and two expansions. I wouldn't have to pay more than £60 at release costs, and that's about €90 tops.

	31-05-2004 02:56									#18
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I think I bought civ3 for €50 and both expansions for something €30

	31-05-2004 03:00									#19
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I think that the costs in Sweden were about 500 + 250 + 250 SEK which would be about €110.

	31-05-2004 03:09									#20
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add-ons are very pricy in europe.
sometimes I wonder if the resellers know the difference between an add-on and a basic-game....

	31-05-2004 03:10									#21
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Costs in NZ, I gotta get Civ and PTW as a set for about $60 and then Conquests on top of that for about $60 aswell. Prices in NZ are stupid.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy add-ons are very pricy in europe. sometimes I wonder if the resellers know the difference between an add-on and a basic-game....

They know. Add ons are usually in range 200 to 300 SEK while games is in range 450 to 600 SEK, and most games are around 500.

Hwevever, they don't seem to know when an addon includes the earlier add ons. (Or are just stupid to try to sell the earlier for the smae price as the later) But for Civ3 the did lower the price for PTW once C3C got out.

	02-06-2004 20:49									#23
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anyone think PTW owners should get a discount? (downloading the added Conquests features from the net for $10-15 sound good?)

	03-06-2004 08:16									#24
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PTW owners did get screwed.

	03-06-2004 10:57									#25
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PTW owners should get firaxis stocks
I'm afraid I've invested more in civ so far than Sid himself

	03-06-2004 16:11									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Flip McWho Costs in NZ, I gotta get Civ and PTW as a set for about $60 and then Conquests on top of that for about $60 aswell. Prices in NZ are stupid.

Where are YOU buying? I got Civ3 as soon as it was released for $95, but PtW was and still is only $55, and Conquests only $30 since release day. Now you can get Civ3 Gold for $45 or the re-release of Civ3 Vanilla for $30, so you can have the whole lot for $60..... (which is ~ 20 Pounds, 30 Euros, or somewhere like $38US).

	03-06-2004 16:17									#27
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Link 1 - Gamesman

Link 2 - Central Park(Website not yet up and running, but they still take orders via email or phone).

And these are just the ones with websites, and in Welly. There must be loads more who send round the country...

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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Where are YOU buying? I got Civ3 as soon as it was released for $95, but PtW was and still is only $55, and Conquests only $30 since release day. Now you can get Civ3 Gold for $45 or the re-release of Civ3 Vanilla for $30, so you can have the whole lot for $60..... (which is ~ 20 Pounds, 30 Euros, or somewhere like $38US).

Whew...Thought you were talking about (90) American dollars there for a second.

I paid $50 for Civ III, $20 for PTW and $30 for Conquests. I bought all of them within 30 days of their release.

	04-06-2004 03:41									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 PTW owners did get screwed.

I enjoyed getting screwed. err...not meant in an obscene way...anyway. Probably the best game of Civ3 I ever played was on PTW as the Mongols. I never finished the game -- in fact, I rarely play a Civ game to completion -- my downfall here was being too greedy and trying to take everyone on my continent out before they made external contacts. I eventually realized this wasn't going to happen and decided to stop...that, and managing an empire of that size -- the first time I had such a large one -- was getting tedious. I owned maybe a good 1/3 of the continent, since I eliminated both China and Japan, my immediate neighbors. I think Germany, Russia, and England were on the same continent, and maybe one other civ.

- Kef