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Caligastia is offline Caligastia
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Sep 2000
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Bullshit, Cal.
The majority here, for right ot wrong, labe me a religious right winger, and I have said time and again that Gays don't choose.

I'll say this, I get tired of Gays, Blacks, New Zealanders, whomever thinking it's terrible to generalize about their specific group, but quite all right to generalize about others.

You do that, you can go **** yourself as far as I'm concerned.


There's a difference between a generalization and a blanket statement, and there's also a difference between what we each mean by "religious right". To clarify - I meant to say that right-wing christians generally consider homosexuality to be a choice. Whether you choose to wear the "religious right wing" label is up to you.

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Y'all. A contraction for you all. All of you.
Damned prune picker.


, I was patting myself on the back for resisting making that correction.

To your other comment, like I told Japher, you might be surprised. I'd actually call myself a Republican if they'd jettison the Robertson wing.

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I don't know the routines for semen, but all donated blood is tested for HIV. The catch is that tests aren't 100% reliable, which means that excluding high risk groups - and gay men are one for HIV - makes perfect sense.

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How about blacks? They have a higher rate of HIV then whites, So shouldn't we exclude them? Chew on that.

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I don't know the routines for semen, but all donated blood is tested for HIV. The catch is that tests aren't 100% reliable, which means that excluding high risk groups - and gay men are one for HIV - makes perfect sense.


Yes, and blood is not going to be used for the purpose of replication.

Thorn: please don't use "chew" in a context that refers to sperm

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BTW, where the heck did the notion come that donating blood or sperm is some kind of right?

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Fine -- following the logic in your question Last, why can't we separate such things by race if it's not a right?

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Whoa! Last Conformist comes up with a prickly question.
We'll see if that gets asterisked or not.

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BTW, where the heck did the notion come that donating blood or sperm is some kind of right?


Giving blood is not a right. My mom can't give because she had scarlet fever, they wouldn't take mine for a time because I had a tattoo.

As for sperm? As long as the keep on paying people for it then they have to take it from anyone: EOE.

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Whoa! Last Conformist comes up with a prickly question.
We'll see if that gets asterisked or not.


I already challenged it.

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why can't we separate such things by race if it's not a right?


because pinko liberals will lable that racist, and for some reasont that is wrong according to them.

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It IS wrong!


Where is the justice in making such inane distinctions as race or sexual orientation when there is no NEED for it?



Financial reasons is BS.

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I went the adjective, MrFun.

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I meant.


whew.

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huh??

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prickly. I figured the puritan censor might block out with asterisks.

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Where is the justice in making such inane distinctions as race or sexual orientation when there is no NEED for it?


NEED? Prove that it is not needed...

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We do not need to make the distinction on sexual orientation because we can test everyone with the same method, thus ensuring everyone's safety and health.

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You know, you really ought to be nicer to me.
I'm on your damned side.

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I can understand where the Bush administration is coming from because of my own religious background. They are afarid that if homosexuality is genetic that this would make the children that are born "more likely" to be homosexual. However, in the Deaf community, there was a lesbian couple who intentionally had a Deaf baby. This brought out an outcry from the public because people see it as condeming the child to having a disability: something that deviates from the norm. I think this is what the Bush administration is trying to do, but in either case (the case of seeing deafness or homosexuality), classifying these as a disability is wrong. I don't think that the government should be allowed to discriminate in this way. Whether the sperm donor is homosexual should be like any other characteristic listed on their bio sheet.

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quote:
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You know, you really ought to be nicer to me.
I'm on your damned side.



sorry

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I can understand where the Bush administration is coming from because of my own religious background. They are afarid that if homosexuality is genetic that this would make the children that are born "more likely" to be homosexual. However, in the Deaf community, there was a lesbian couple who intentionally had a Deaf baby. This brought out an outcry from the public because people see it as condeming the child to having a disability: something that deviates from the norm. I think this is what the Bush administration is trying to do, but in either case (the case of seeing deafness or homosexuality) as a disability is wrong. I don't think that the government should be allowed to discriminate in this way. Whether the sperm donor is homosexual should be like any other characteristic listed on their bio sheet.


Oh great -- now we're going to use a couple of whackos as an example, to further distort the issue.

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That is one smart DL

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how would you classify to Deaf women trying to have a child that is like them as wackos?

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and i'm not a dl

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I thought you said they were lesbians?

Oh, and

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they are. maybe i took it wrong, but i took it as mr fun saying that they were wackos b/c they were trying to have a deaf baby. if i misudnerstood that, then i take my comment back

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BTW, what do the little dancing smileys mean?

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I don’t even know where to start with you idiots…

First, basic public health. If you are trying to prevent the spread of an infectious disease, first you screen out high risk populations based on risk factors, then you test. You do it this way because testing is time-consuming and expensive. Gay men are high risk for HIV, so they get screened out just like other high risk groups such as drug users, people who have contact with hepatitis, or literally 20 other risk factors in the regs, including risk factors that heterosexuals face.

Give me a break -- you would have a point if maybe 50% of the gay population had HIV, but the VAST majority do not.

11,686 gay men were diagnosed worldwide with HIV during 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002, while 40,000 people are diagnosed with AIDS every year (so about 11,686/160,000 of cases involve gay men...). You're an economist, I'll let you figure out the percentage of that...

Further, if we're going to isolate minorities for AIDs infections, blacks are way more likely -- out of any minority (sexuality, skincolor, religion, whatever) to have HIV, so as a cost-cutting measure why are they allowed to donate blood and sperm if gays cannot? Black people account for 55% of all people infected with HIV.

So a minority in which 7.3% of all cases belong to is banned from blood/sperm donations, while a minority in which 55% of all cases belong to is permitted.

Obviously, your argument is bunk.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3242686.stm

 
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