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Thorn is offline Thorn
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US to turn gays away from sperm banks

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US government said it would ban homosexuals from making anonymous donations to sperm banks, in the name of preventing transmittable diseases, in a move swiftly condemned by gay rights groups.


New Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) rules that take effect May 25 require agencies that collect tissues or cells including sperm to ask the donor if he has had sex with men or used injectable drugs in the past five years. If the answer is affirmative in either case no donation is allowed.


The FDA says the rules are just an extension of procedures already in effect for donating blood or organs.


"This new rule was developed with input from many concerned consumers, associations and tissue establishments. In all cases, we carefully considered the comments we received in the proposed rule and made changes in the final rule when the science supported the change," said Acting FDA commissioner Lester Crawford.


But homosexual rights groups slammed the move.


"The FDA guidelines are unscientific. There is a 72 hour test which would provide information as to whether a person was HIV (news - web sites) positive, we know that even the International Red Cross accepts blood from men who have sex with men," said Roberta Sklar, spokesperson for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (news - web sites).


"This is another instance of the Bush administration ignoring scientific information and putting forth their own agenda to satisfy the extreme right wing conservative voters. It does not take in current scientific findings and recommendations.


What a bunch of raving bigots...

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This hits me like a giant feather-given the history of this admin.

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Holy crap that's blatant.

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How will they know?

I can understand concerns over HIV, across the board.

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Actually, this is correct in the way that gays are already being discriminated in other donations, so it's not that big of a surprise.


What's with all the gay threads, anyway? We just had a wave of Israel threads, now this?

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Why don't they just test the donations? Just because I tell the blood bank I don't have HIV doesn't mean they don't test my blood for it.

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Damn, Che. A logical question.

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We can't give blood, why would they want our sperm?

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The profession to avoid transimissible diseases is utter BS.

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Che actually yes they are going to test anyway, so this is just plain bigotry.


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Tissue, Cell Donors Screened Under New Rule

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Virtually all donated tissues and cells -- including sperm and stem cells -- or their donors, must be screened for diseases from syphilis to SARS (news - web sites) under proposed new FDA (news - web sites) regulations released on Thursday.

Doctors, politicians and patient groups have been clamoring for the new rule, five years in the making. The pressure increased in recent years with the publicized deaths of patients who received infected transplants of seemingly innocuous tissue such as knee tendons and heart valves.


Since 1993, the Food and Drug Administration has required that muscles and tendons, skin and eye tissue donations be tested for hepatitis B and C and for the AIDS (news - web sites) virus.


"Under this new rule, reproductive tissue (semen, ova, and embryos), hematopoietic (blood) stem cells derived from cord blood and peripheral blood sources (circulating blood sources as opposed to bone marrow), cellular therapies and other innovative products are also regulated," the FDA said in a statement.


"In addition to including a broader range of tissues and cells, the new rule extends the scope of protection against additional communicable diseases that can be transmitted through transplanted tissues and cells," it added.


These include the incurable brain-wasting Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (news - web sites), syphilis and, for relevant tissues, human T-cell lymphotropic virus or HTLV, which is suspected of causing leukemia, and the bacteria that cause chlamydia and gonorrhea.


NEW INFECTIOUS AGENTS


The rule, which is open for comment, would also give FDA the option of imposing screening requirements for emerging new infections such as West Nile virus (news - web sites) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome.


"This rule is a major step toward ensuring that tissue contaminated with life-threatening pathogens is not transplanted into unsuspecting patients," said U.S. Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican who has led several hearings on tissue bank practices.


"While I welcome this new rule, I remain perplexed by the FDA's repeated and unacceptable delays in implementing this rule. I am concerned that this delay may have put lives at risk," she added in a statement.


Collins said there are now more than a million tissue transplants a year. They are known to transmit diseases such as gangrene, West Nile virus infection, CJD and AIDS.


But Georgia-based CryoLife Corp. has been targeted by dozens of lawsuits and FDA actions after selling tissues that later turned out to be infected with fungi and bacteria.


In one case, a 23-year-old Minnesota man, Brian Lykins, died from an infection in 2001 after preventive knee surgery.


"We now have new tissue technologies that hold the potential to provide treatments for diseases such as cancer, Parkinson's disease (news - web sites), hemophilia and many other serious conditions," said acting FDA Commissioner Dr. Lester Crawford.


The FDA said its new rules do not include whole organs or bone marrow that has not been manipulated, as both are already regulated by the Health Resources and Services Administration.


It also does not cover blood products for transfusion or products derived from animals, which FDA regulates as biologics.


The rule, which becomes effective on May 25, 2005, is available on FDA's Internet Web Site at www.fda.gov/cber/rules/suitdonor.pdf.

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Why don't they also ask if they have had anal sex with another partner? Why does it have to be with another man?

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Why don't they also ask if they have had anal sex with another partner? Why does it have to be with another man?


It is not a rule with scientific data as support, they want to avoid gay babies, as the Bush Administration directs. plain bigotry.

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I don't get this. Don't they test all the sperm donations? Heterosexual men may have STD's too. So you'd want to test all donations to make sure that they are safe.

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All that I can bring myself to say is what the ****. This is disgusting.

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I normally agree with you on all things, MrFun, yet this time I feel I must question your statement.

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I normally agree with you on all things, MrFun, yet this time I feel I must question your statement.



Transmissible diseases do not give a **** what your sexual orientation is.

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If they plan on testing the sperm anyway, then this just seems pointless. I don't think being gay is hereditary.

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They are trying to wipe us out, THIS IS GENECIDE, The Nazi's used the same logic to make jew infertile, but it wasn't quick enough for them.... BEWARE of where this leads...

It will never happen again, my a$$!

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Gays have a higher rate of HIV in the U.S., do they not?

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People with HIV have a higher rate of HIV in the U.S., do they not?

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Gays have a higher rate of HIV in the U.S., do they not?





This does not justify discrimination that does not even involve legitimate safeguard pratice.


Just objectivey test everyone, period.

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Cali, you just hit on the flaw in Thorn's statement (assuming it wasn't just a throwaway). Isn't the right wing position generally that homosexuals choose their orientation?

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It's not a choice, but it isn't hereditary either. Autism isn't hereditary, its just that some people are more suseptible to it...just because someone who's gay has a kid doesn't mean that kid will definitly be gay any more than someone who is straight will definitly have a straight kid.

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Gays have a higher rate of HIV in the U.S., do they not?

If every single sample is being tested, and the vast majority of gays do not have HIV, why are they being banned from providing sperm samples?

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MrFun, you're getting your shorts in a twist at me for nothing.
My very first question was, how will they know?
Certainly any donation should be checked.

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MrFun, you're getting your shorts in a twist at me for nothing.
My very first question was, how will they know?
Certainly any donation should be checked.


Your very first question was, "Gays have higher rate of HIV, do they not?"

Your first question was not, "How will they know?"

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How will they know?

I can understand concerns over HIV, across the board.



Ahem. You were saying?

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So if they can never know in the first place, why have such an inane policy like this then?

 
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