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What Level do you Play at? (Time out:0 days after 22-05-2004, 05:02)
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Lord Nuclear is offline Lord Nuclear
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This is just to find out more about the AU community.

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Emperor, But I rarely bother to finish the game. As soon as I'm out of the hole, I start a new game

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By the way, if you feel you are between levels, just pick the level you feel you enjoy playing more

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I said Monarch, though if I'm motivated to do the MMing required, Emperor is enjoyable.

I've yet to finish a demi-god game because I just don't work that hard at playing any more.

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Usually at Demi-God, altough AU 503 at Emperor, because of the difficulty warning

Deity sometimes, if i have Plenty of time and motivation to do micromamagement.

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I think the poll results are not that suprising. In the future we should be trying to get an influx of Chieftan-Regent players. Our purpose is to teach the player how to get better at Civ, it's easier if they began at a lower level AND it makes the AU look better

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er, I think only one of the panelists has voted so far.

I think that most of the C3 forum is a technocracy, not a democracy.

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How do you know that only one of the panelists have voted? And I don't see how your second point is relevant to the thread or my last statement.

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To the second point, I never felt our purpose was to teach anyone anything, really. I always felt this was more of a communal get-together that attempts to improve the AI and play together and learn from each other.

I know it sounds like I'm playing semantics there, but as fine a line as it is, it's an important distinction to me. Maybe it's so subtle a difference that noone else cares, but for the usual "teach me to do X" or "why do I always fall behind at point Y", I thought that was the purpose of the strat forum.

Again, maybe it's too subtle and semantic for anyone but me to notice or even care about, in which case, just ignore me.


Edit: I left out a small bit - the point about improving the AI has always been one of the pillars of the AU. Those that are having trouble at Warlord-Regent level typically don't want better AI.

Edit: Sorry, when I said second point, I was referring to NM's "second" point about our purpose. Just to be clear on whose second point I meant. Jeeze, have I made my post confusing enough yet?

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Sorry, let me eloborate:

So far we have a group of seven panelists, of whom some play at diety (alexman, Theseus, formerly Dominae).

the point about the technocracy was that the leaders of such an organisation are the smartest. While all here are undoubtedly intelligent (except me, of course. I just watch and learn), those who understand the game to an unparrelled degree in certain areas, eg game mechanics (corruption), specific strategies and their corralation to the game (OCC, exploits) etc will be able to make the best decisions since they understand the game better than all the rest, and hence improve the game.

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To the second point, I never felt our purpose was to teach anyone anything, really. I always felt this was more of a communal get-together that attempts to improve the AI and play together and learn from each other.

I know it sounds like I'm playing semantics there, but as fine a line as it is, it's an important distinction to me. Maybe it's so subtle a difference that noone else cares, but for the usual "teach me to do X" or "why do I always fall behind at point Y", I thought that was the purpose of the strat forum.

Again, maybe it's too subtle and semantic for anyone but me to notice or even care about, in which case, just ignore me.


To me, it's always been a half and half thing. The AU mod is clearly made for improving the AI and making a more enjoyable game, rather then teaching new players. The strategy forum does not have the courses that we have in the AU Forum. Depending on the view of things, if people think that the AU is not about teaching, then I ask if we can introduce it. I signed up for the Dean position because I have time, AND because I want to help the AU. I suggest we start some courses that focus on new players and advertise about it. All I ask is for someone to create courses, because I am lacking in that area.

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Sorry, let me eloborate:

So far we have a group of seven panelists, of whom some play at diety (alexman, Theseus, formerly Dominae).

the point about the technocracy was that the leaders of such an organisation are the smartest. While all here are undoubtedly intelligent (except me, of course. I just watch and learn), those who understand the game to an unparrelled degree in certain areas, eg game mechanics (corruption), specific strategies and their corralation to the game (OCC, exploits) etc will be able to make the best decisions since they understand the game better than all the rest, and hence improve the game.



I still don't see what that has to do with anything in the thread?

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Depending on the view of things, if people think that the AU is not about teaching, then I ask if we can introduce it.

That's where the subtle difference comes in - to me, AU is about learning, not teaching. We're all here to learn, we're not necessarily hear to teach, per se.

My old "Ducki Does...." threads in the strat forum and MountainSage's "Improving C3C Emperor Skills" games seem to me more about someone (or multiple someones) actively teaching as opposed to several folks coming together to discuss and learn.

I really do feel like I've gone pretty far down the semantic rabbit hole here, I just wanted to point out my own feelings on the "AU is about teaching" bit. I'll let it go and others can weigh in.

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I still don't see what that has to do with anything in the thread?


Basically, this thread asked a specific question, but it did not ask why. Since you will not learn anything other than the obvious, I was trying to point out that it is the most able that we glean understanding from, so that it is a technocracy.

This links to Duckis POV that the Strat forum is where we are taught, here "We learn"

(and yes, this is OT, and fairly semantic)

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I think we can let this thread go OT as long as we stick to talking about the AU. I see your point Ducki, what if someone was to create a course that was specifically made to help people do certain things, that was targeted at lower levels?

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The reason there are not more Chieftain/Warlord players in the AU is that once they get to 'Poly, they "graduate" up to at least Regent pretty fast. It's true that just reading these forums improves one's gameplay immediately. So it's not surprising that most AU players at at least at Regent level.

In order attract more Chieftan-level players to AU, you would basically have to attract more Chieftain-level players to Apolyton as a whole.

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I play Emperor, Demigod, Deity, and Sid all about the same amount.

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I play Emperor almost exclusively now, though for certain AU-503s, I may have to drop back down to Monarch

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I voted Emperor because from anything resembling a random start, that's the most enjoyable fit for me. But with C3C, in non-AU games, what I really do more often is play on Demigod from a combination of civ and starting position that is unusually advantageous.

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I play both Emperor and Demigod, but am still learning to cope with Demigod. Emperor is where I am most comfortable, so that's what I nominated. If I am starting a normal game, I will generally choose Demigod with everything random to try to improve my skills, but I'm not playing all that much at the moment.

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I play Emperor for a challenge and Monarch for fun.

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Monarch remains fun. I’ve tried Emperor. No fun. Got worked. A move up would require mastering micromanagement to a greater degree.

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The reason there are not more Chieftain/Warlord players in the AU is that once they get to 'Poly, they "graduate" up to at least Regent pretty fast. It's true that just reading these forums improves one's gameplay immediately. So it's not surprising that most AU players at at least at Regent level.


I agree with Dominae. I came to poly about a year ago as a sub-par Regent player and have read through many threads both here and in the Strat forum. After only a dozen or so full games I'm beating Monarch and keeping up on Emperor. The initial learning curve is low, but I'm finding that the higher levels require much more practice and knowledge, as well as in depth game analysis (what I hope to get from AU in the future). That's where AU comes in. If all I want to do is bone up on city placement, the strat forum's the place. But understanding things like city placement and settler pumps only gets you so far. My lurking in the AU forum has helped me better understand MM as well as diplomacy among other things.

Sorry if I strayed off topic a bit, but I felt I had to voice my thanks to AU.

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Emperor and Demigod. Sid is just for showing off...

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Monarch

I like to drink beer and while I play. So I make a lot of bad decisions and hurry through the micromanaging. I call it "sloppy" but its fun. On Emperor I find myself stopping to think. I don't want to think I do enough of that at work. I just want to enjoy the 2 to 3 hours a week of free time I have.

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I prefer to be challenged by the AI, so I picked Demigod. the generally do not win. I do not micromanage enough and my mid-game strategy is flawed...not agressive enough.

If I'm hard up for a win to stroke my ego, I drop to Emperor.

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I used to play Warlord. Read a bit of the forums and changed to Monarch, I haven't yet finished a game but I'm keeping up with it. Even though my game is full of bad decisions and very lame micromanaging I do feel howerver that I'm able to compete with the AI. At least while I don't get to the modern age. Picked Monarch because i'm up to it and because blowing or not my brains out, i'm winning the AI and sticking to it

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Monarch. It's not really a challenge anymore but still good fun. I mostly end my games some time in the middle age when I'm so far ahead that the game just gets boring.

I am moving up to emperor now, but run into the usual problem of too little play time(demogames and PBEMs gets priority)



OT: Ever noticed how human opponents can vary from being 21st century Napoleons to playing much, much worse than a chieftan level AI?

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hi ,

demi god , deity and sometimes at sid

it depends on the game

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