22-05-2004 05:04									#1
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	22-05-2004 05:07									#2
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	22-05-2004 05:07									#3
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	22-05-2004 05:11									#4
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You know Beta, the only reason you're posting all of this propaganda is that you know that there is no way for you to beat Python and CoD on your own.

Again, I urge all of you to chop down your trees and make spears with which to help us finish off our job.

Poetic irony, how I love thee

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quote: Originally posted by Krill You know Beta, the only reason you're posting all of this propaganda is that you know that there is no way for you to beat Python and CoD on your own.

I agree with you completely. No arguments there.

Desperate times call for desperate measures - both miltarily and diplomatically.

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quote: Originally posted by Krill You know Beta, the only reason you're posting all of this propaganda is that you know that there is no way for you to beat Python and CoD on your own.

I agree with Beta.
Your statement is quite true.

The question is, can the other four teams afford to leave such a strong team by themselves to dominate an entire continent.

Simply by anomously gifting team monkey tech, they will ensure the CoD/Python war is bloody, and gain a game long alliance partner.

	24-05-2004 18:09									#8
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The other teams can obviously do as they please.

If they want to back Monkey, they may, but obviously CoD and Python will remember it. And when the tables are turned, and there is war on the other continent, which will surely happen at some point, any team that helps Monkey now will find CoD and Python assisting their enemies.

The other teams can afford to leave us be, H_E. Have you SEEN their continent? They could each get as big as CoD & Python combined without firing a shot.

-Arrian

note: this was poor wording on my part, clarified later in the thread. I'm not going to edit it to sound better, but please do read my next couple of posts before going ballistic. Thank you.

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	24-05-2004 18:29									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The other teams can obviously do as they please. If they want to back Monkey, they may, but obviously CoD and Python will remember it. And when the tables are turned, and there is war on the other continent, which will surely happen at some point, any team that helps Monkey now will find CoD and Python assisting their enemies.

(Note: Speaking completely hypothetically, we haven't sold monkey anything or even had any diplo contact with them ever)

If you had already hinted at possible millitary action on our continent would it not make sense for a team on our continent to help your enemies now?

	24-05-2004 19:23									#10
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quote: Originally posted by OPD (Note: Speaking completely hypothetically, we haven't sold monkey anything or even had any diplo contact with them ever) If you had already hinted at possible millitary action on our continent would it not make sense for a team on our continent to help your enemies now?

Ummm..

My point exactly.

Do you really think Team "Cake or Monty" will be happy to sit out the rest of the game and not interfere once Monkey has been removed ?

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	24-05-2004 19:23									#11
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	24-05-2004 19:32									#12
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A message from the Executive Director of SPAM.

"CoD has threatened military and economic reprisal against any nation which supports Team Monkey. I want to reiterate - SPAM has no political or national affiliations. We are simply trying to help Simians in need. Please do not give in to CoD pressure tactics. Please hear my appeal. I am sure you brave men on the other continent will not be scared off so easily. Please come to my aid. I am willing to meet privately with you to discuss our further liaisons. "

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	24-05-2004 19:36									#13
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quote: "CoD has threatened military and economic reprisal against any nation which supports Team Monkey. I want to reiterate - SPAM has no political or national affiliations. We are simply trying to help Simians in need. Please do not give in to CoD pressure tactics. Please hear my appeal. I am sure you brave men on the other continent will not be scared off so easily. Please come to my aid. I am willing to meet privately with you to discuss our further liaisons. "

Beta, this seems to be getting a bit out of hand. Everything before was at least a little bit funny, but this is more offensive than anything else.

Bend the truth, yes, but you just broke into a few thoasand little pieces.

	24-05-2004 21:38									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The other teams can obviously do as they please. If they want to back Monkey, they may, but obviously CoD and Python will remember it. And when the tables are turned, and there is war on the other continent, which will surely happen at some point, any team that helps Monkey now will find CoD and Python assisting their enemies. The other teams can afford to leave us be, H_E. Have you SEEN their continent? They could each get as big as CoD & Python combined without firing a shot. -Arrian

This seems an inanely dumb thing to pledge. Afterall, if the equivalent of Team Monkey is being conquered on another continent that earlier helped Monkey, would you truly side against them and in favor of the growing New World superpower?

Besides, have no fear. The Muhammad Al-Sahaf Team bears both love and a desire to destroy EVERY team. We have no special love nor bear any special desire for slaughter toward any of you.

	24-05-2004 22:04									#15
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We might, Arnelos, we might. It's not a pledge, though. I may have worded it too strongly. It's a reminder that in the future, the roles may be reversed.

This game is a little different that the PTWDGI, at least for us. GS has played the PTWDG to win, using cold logic at all times to further that goal. Hence our alliance with RP, despite much better relations with GoW.

While CoD would like to win, I don't think we will go that route. It didn't end up helping GS much, anyway! Our team will act with a little more humanity and a little less Machivellian logic.

We would agree to a non-interference pact with the civs on the other continent: you stay out of this war, and we will stay out of your affairs too, for a set number of turns (50, 100, whatever, we can discuss it) or some other limiting factor (one war, the discovery of a particular tech, whatever). CoD is open to creative deals along these lines.

-Arrian

	24-05-2004 22:26									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Krill quote: "CoD has threatened military and economic reprisal against any nation which supports Team Monkey. I want to reiterate - SPAM has no political or national affiliations. We are simply trying to help Simians in need. Please do not give in to CoD pressure tactics. Please hear my appeal. I am sure you brave men on the other continent will not be scared off so easily. Please come to my aid. I am willing to meet privately with you to discuss our further liaisons. " Beta, this seems to be getting a bit out of hand. Everything before was at least a little bit funny, but this is more offensive than anything else. Bend the truth, yes, but you just broke into a few thoasand little pieces.

Krill - sorry. I do not mean to offend - and I certainly do not want a repeat of the 'other' game. But I am not sure why this offensive. Arrian did threaten the other teams. My response is to use Diane Kruger - the actress who plays Helen of Troy - as the Executive Director of SPAM - using more her charms than any real logic to appeal to the other teams. Maybe you missed the humour in the historical connection. Me, I thought it was pretty good.

Again - my apologies.

But if you can explain where Monkey has been less than truthful, it would be enlightening.

	24-05-2004 22:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian CoD is open to creative deals along these lines. -Arrian

Great - let's talk.

	24-05-2004 22:33									#18
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quote: Krill - sorry. I do not mean to offend - and I certainly do not want a repeat of the 'other' game. But I am not sure why this offensive. Arrian did threaten the other teams. My response is to use Diane Kruger - the actress who plays Helen of Troy - as the Executive Director of SPAM - using more her charms than any real logic to appeal to the other teams. Maybe you missed the humour in the historical connection. Me, I thought it was pretty good.

I'm not too sure, does it have anything to do with Lego

I'm Sorry about that, now, as you can see I was not around at the beginning of the PTWDG (or this one). I only just got the joke.

	24-05-2004 22:39									#19
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It was not my intention to threaten, although on second review my post certainly reads that way.

To clarify one more time:

I was trying to point out that the same logic the Monkeys are using now ("help us against CoD & Python, and then all three of us will bleed, which benifits you!") will apply later in the game too. Thus, later in the game it may be to CoD's advantage to assist someone over on the other continent with technology or some other favor. This will surely occur, unless of course there is a treaty preventing it.

The only threat is that we might ignore strategic concerns later and instead of assisting an underdog, we might refuse, or even back the stronger party... if the underdog went out of their way to assist Monkey now. I used the word "will" in my first post, which was a mistake due to haste and the fact that it was early in the morning on a Monday for me. It really should have been "may" instead.

-Arrian

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	24-05-2004 23:15									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian We might, Arnelos, we might. It's not a pledge, though. I may have worded it too strongly.

Perhaps so.

Then again, you seem to be implying that it might as well be a pledge.

	24-05-2004 23:20									#22
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	24-05-2004 23:25									#23
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I can't speak for Python, first of all.

Second, I'm no absolute ruler, so my own team might disagree with me if it came right down to it.

Third, as I said in my last post, the actions of other teams during this war will play a role in future decisions, but will not be the only factor.

I'd much rather reach some sort of deal over this, but if we don't, and a team assists Monkey, and CoD has a choice later on in the game: to back the team that hurt us, or their enemy... well, it might not override strategic concerns (your aforementioned superpower scenario), but if things are relatively equal, it could be the deciding factor.

-Arrian

	24-05-2004 23:52									#24
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Team Monkey offers Bananas

"Team Cake or Python" ( Great line) offer Chilled Monkey brains.

Both intrigue my pallet.

	24-05-2004 23:59									#25
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You laughed at your own joke?

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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Team Monkey offers Bananas "Team Cake or Python" ( Great line) offer Chilled Monkey brains. Both intrigue my pallet.

Fruit or dessert.

I still preferred the snake surprise though.

	25-05-2004 00:55									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master You laughed at your own joke?

I think Hot_Enamel gets the credit for "Cake or Python".

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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master I like monkeys

That's the spirit!

	25-05-2004 03:20									#29
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Team Monkey offers Bananas "Team Cake or Python" ( Great line) offer Chilled Monkey brains. Both intrigue my pallet.

I'm not so sure about the monkey brains, but the cake or banana option is intriguing. I suppose the best of both worlds would be that we get to eat our cake, our banana, and they all get to die horribly gruesome deaths, too!

Just remember, we love you guys - all of you.

	25-05-2004 03:44									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos I'm not so sure about the monkey brains, but the cake or banana option is intriguing. I suppose the best of both worlds would be that we get to eat our cake, our banana, and they all get to die horribly gruesome deaths, too! Just remember, we love you guys - all of you.

I sense that SPAM and the Cake or Python rebuttals aren't the only propaganda campaign being waged in these threads.