03-09-2004 09:33									#211
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Con, as long as you tell me when you kill my units and/or attack my cities, and when my units kill yours, i guess i don't care that much.

But that's pretty much the bare minimum for me, especially in an elimination game. I'm not interested in playing a "catch him by surprise by sniping off his units" game, nor do I go for bongo's "take advantage of the flaw in the rules" strategy. This is a tournament game, and should be played as such.

	03-09-2004 09:39									#212
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 nor do I go for bongo's "take advantage of the flaw in the rules" strategy. This is a tournament game, and should be played as such.

I dont think you need a ton of rules to play a tourney.

And looking at bongos view this way is kind of unfair. He is a dam good Civ player and I dont think he would deliberately use exploits to win a game.

he has adapted his play to the limitations of PBEM and you want to make PBEM more like SP.

Both sides have there good points and strong points.

If Im going to declare war Ill let ya know

But come on you will see my units next to yours, especially in this age all the way to late medievil where most PBEMS are already long decided.

	03-09-2004 10:43									#213
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	03-09-2004 16:29									#214
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Con, I don't suggest Bongo would cheat. BUT, he has explicitly said (in the ICR-30% thread) that he takes advantage of this. It's not a way I prefer to play, is what i'm saying.

And I won't necessarily see your units -- you could attack with a half dozen horsemen, they'd slaughter any one unit that's producable now. (That's roughly bongo's strategy from my understanding of it.)

All I ask is that when you attack me (or anyone), you email me and/or post (depending on the agreement, i think in ICR it's better to email or PM) that you killed my X, and you used Y unit(s) to do so. I don't like the fact that this game is too stupid to tell me what happened during combat, and indeed prefer, in this aspect, something closer to the SP game.

I don't want to "make PBEM closer to SP" in general -- just that in SP you don't have this flaw, and in PBEM you do, so I want to eliminate the flaw, which pretty much everyone agrees is a flaw.

Turn sent btw.

	03-09-2004 17:08									#215
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2430BC to conmcb25

I will probably be off the 24hour mark this weekend. My Grandmother fell last night and broke her femur. I will be on the road checking up on the situation but will have some access.

	03-09-2004 18:06									#216
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2430BC to Arnelos.

Thanks for the heads up MFC. Ill probably be around but my focas this weekend is gonna be screwing around with mt kids. I hope Granny is better soon, thats a litterally tough break for an older person to get I hope she fully recovers.

	05-09-2004 02:33									#217
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	05-09-2004 04:41									#218
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Hope she gets better MF...

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	05-09-2004 11:47									#219
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2390BC to conmcb25

Physically things seem to be ok with the leg. Still some other questions in the air right now. We shall have to see.

	05-09-2004 16:28									#220
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Good to hear MFC, Off to Arnelos, same year as above.

	06-09-2004 10:29									#221
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	06-09-2004 10:48									#222
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So, are y'all agreed to supply a brief combat report if the losing defender says something like "where in hades did my SoD get to?" (level 1), or do you wish to debate going completely blind (level 0)?

It looks like the 1-2 options are in effect (2 yea, 1 nay, 1 abstain). I'll edit them into the first post unless anyone has further objections...

	06-09-2004 14:23									#223
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Level 1 would be preferable to Level 0.

A blow-by-blow accounting would be awful nice, but if con is too lazy, then con is too lazy.

	06-09-2004 16:54									#224
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Level 1 would be preferable to Level 0. A blow-by-blow accounting would be awful nice, but if con is too lazy, then con is too lazy.

Dam right I am.

If I wanted to play accounting I would gotten an accounting game.

	06-09-2004 16:54									#225
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Level 0 for me

	06-09-2004 22:58									#226
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Level 3 for me, but a minimum of level 2 is acceptable to me.

To MFC.

Edit: I forgot what level 1 was. I would prefer -- verge on requiring -- voluntary disclosure of combat. In other games i've had problems that I had a scout unit out that I forgot about, particularly in a game that had a slow-down. I play a lot of civ games (not as many as Paddy but more than a couple) and it's pretty much a given that, unless a game is moving really fast (which thankfully this one is, for now) i'm going to forget what's going on to some extent -- as will all of us. A simple note of "Hey, I killed your spearman", followed oftentimes with a "Take That!", is acceptable to me -- but I'd like the notice.

Con, I understand what you're saying about an accounting game, but what you did sign up for is a strategy game, and it's not possible to play a strategic game without knowing how the military battles turn out. Otherwise you're playing a builder with the random attack-from-afar. The only way I see it being ok to play, particularly a TOURNAMENT game, without reports is if the FoW is turned off.

Now THAT would be a fun game ...

Last edited by snoopy369 on 06-09-2004 at 23:04

	07-09-2004 12:10									#227
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Here's what's been updated in the first post:

quote: IC e/e point 1-2 and the optional clauses, in effect for this game: 1-2 Players shall not exchange in-game information until they are represented on each other's foreign advisor's screen. They shall not exchange graphic map information before both have knowledge of Navigation. a) In diplomacy without an embassy between the Tribes, a player may only offer technology already known by their Tribe. They may not offer or ask for unknown techs. b) Players shall not coordinate military action unless an alliance is formally declared in the foreign advisor's screen. c) Players shall not make reference to specific distances or directions until both have knowledge of Map Making. d) Players shall not make Mutual Protection Pacts or Trade Embargoes unless they are declared in the foreign advisor's screen Combat Reporting: Level 1> Passive A summary of combat results is required to be sent to the defender if, and only if, they make any sort of inquiry soon afterward. ['soon' should allow for a few turns to realize a unit is missing, but could only be one turn cycle for simplicity if the attacker insists.

I've found the 1-2 stuff is easy enough to adhere to if you minimize the content of emails until you have an embassy, and base all substantial discussion on what happens in the F4 screen.

Sorry about the Combat Reporting; level 1 is the compromise needed because con is lazy and he sucks...

	08-09-2004 13:20									#228
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Is MFC still attending to family matters?

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I believe so.

	08-09-2004 17:14									#230
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I am back now. Sorry for the delays. I should have been able to get more turns out while I was out dealing with my family issues, but the phones had not all been turned on in the new house. I have a little bit of a rat’s nest to deal with at work today but should have my turns caught up overnight.

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2350BC to con.

To bad about the laziness. As a Controller you can probably guess where my vote would have gone.

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	09-09-2004 08:41									#233
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See, Rommel? I say we take a recount ...

	09-09-2004 10:43									#234
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Sorry about the Combat Reporting; level 1 is the compromise needed because con is lazy and he sucks...

We all have to be good at something

	09-09-2004 11:54									#235
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quote: Originally posted by MFCamillus To bad about the laziness. As a Controller [...]

Is this something you and your psychoanalyst have had lengthly discussions about...?

quote: We all have to be good at something

Really. Where does that leave me?

	09-09-2004 12:47									#236
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As long as I have some clue where my units went, I'm happy.

	09-09-2004 16:26									#237
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sent on to the controller

	09-09-2004 17:06									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Is this something you and your psychoanalyst have had lengthly discussions about...?

Actually my sessions with my boss usually concern how much leniency my staff gets. As long as the work is done.

2310BC to conmcb25

	13-09-2004 08:45									#239
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*bump*

2310 to snoopy

	13-09-2004 08:50									#240
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I take it that means con has wandered back in from visiting his surrogate parents? Or are you resending...?