24-05-2004 23:15									#1
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We have contact! And it would appear we have friends! What is good about this is that I was looking at the map - and LL and MAST are the two teams most able to come to our assistance in the short term. And they are friends.

My response and their initial e-mail.

quote: Greetings!!!! It is great to hear from a friendly voice. Thank you for your offer. It is much appreciated. We also appreciate the situation on your continent. Maybe the Monkey War will be what is needed to unify - at least temporarily - the civs on your continent. Again - we will chat again shortly! ....Beta.

quote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel López Soria To: Beta Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: PTWDG2: Contact at last Greetings! Our friendly neighbour MAST has gifted us with the knowledge of your existence. A galley of ours was close to do it by their own, but was sunk by barbarians some years ago. Rumours says that your proud breed has faced a awful fight for its existence against the rest of your continent. We want to help, but I'm not sure about what can we do. Our map, Construction and Polytheism has been offered. If needed, military cooperation has a problem. Our continent has a precarious Status Quo, nobody want to move first to take any action because everybody knows that this will doom him. Relationship with Tabemono are poor, but we need their cooperation in order to do something. Hope we can find a solution, I desire the best of luck for the monkeys Niessuh, Latin Lovers

	25-05-2004 03:36									#2
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This was taken from UnO's reply awhile back when we asked Tabemono for help. Check out the reference to Latin Lover relative to what they have said. Starting to look interesting, no? If we can boker a little peace deal.

quote: On the domestic front, Sunshine is the tech Leader by far. They are playing up the peacefull "sunshine" personality, but we suspect it might in fact be a ruse. MAST is the local runt, being given some pathetic lands and no Iron. Latin Lovers have halted research and we suspect they are preparing a mass upgrade of some kind, most likely to either legions or medeival infantry, and are rather difficult to deal with diplomatically. They have also been aggressively settling along our border recently. So, militarily right now, our focus is on defending against what appears to be an impending attack from Latin Lovers. Should LL be convinced, though, something might be worked out. They have a galley somewhere along the coast as well, so contact with them should be relatively soon. I'll also pass along your message for them. - UnOrthOdOx

	28-05-2004 16:14									#3
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I sent this note with the save:

quote: Greetings from the Simians. We have responded to your offer. Diplo message coming shortly. Glad you are in the world!

Got this back:

quote: Offer accepted!

...happy monkeys.

And I did not have time yet to write my note explaining our situation and pleading with them to take the deal.

	13-06-2004 19:30									#4
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E-mail chat with LL - Daniel Lopez Soria. Not sure what his nick is - its either Niessuh or Slayer.

Beta:

quote: And we should chat soon. Any chance of a cash deal for engimeering and invention. We really need longbows.

Daniel:

quote: We have Engineering, but it was purchased to Sunshine with the "no sell to others" rule. We are currently searching for someone to purchase Invention too

Beta:

quote: We will contact Sunshine for the deal. If you are negotiating for invention - maybe you can include a 2 for one deal. In other words - how much for two civs to buy the tech. Does this make sense?

Daniel:

quote: sure! But first we need feudalism, too

Beta:

quote: Yes - maybe we will try a trade for that. How is your relationship with MAST - the el-sahhaf team?

Daniel:

quote: Really good. All our tensions are with Tabemono

	26-06-2004 20:47									#5
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Sent with 70bc save:

quote: Greetings from the Monkeys. We have obtained engineering from the Happy people and are now seeking invention. Do you have it and can we reach a deal? Longbowmen will be critical in the conflict over here.

Reading above - I forgot that we need feudalism as well.

	11-07-2004 04:34									#6
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Sent to LL with the save:

quote: Greetings. We have come out of our Golden Age, triggered by the attack from CoD and Python. Our economic situation is not great. Our military is fairly large - and that is what is costing us. Can we discuss some trade/gift options and possibilities. And, I still think a crusade against the Northern Aggressors is viable - and makes sense for the other nations. Beta - getting fairly desperate down in Monkey land.

	12-07-2004 16:13									#7
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And their response:

quote: Beta: I posted a map of your continent at our forum, but we were unable to see any viable battleplan. Also, CoD galleys are patrolling the sea corridor and Tabemono could have riders right now. Our sea forces is just one galley. So we are tied unless you convince Tabemono to attack your foes, in that case I'm sure that an alliance could be set between the three civs. We don't have new techs yet. As soon as we purchase it or see the opportunity that you could obtain it we will notify you

Looks like we may need to do the peace-making and crusade-building on the other continent.

	05-09-2004 20:43									#8
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To Latin Lover with the 130ad save:

quote: Greetings Lovers. Well, the time draws near. A large stack of CoD horse and longbow are forming on our northen border. I suspect Python will soon be close behind them. We are also fighting both barbs and CoD horse to the south. We have had to shut research down completely. At zero for research and luxury we are still running a negative gpt due to the large army we are maintaining. We are building more cities in a borg style expansion to the north and south in order to support the troops. But eventually we will be worn down. This is a losing hand we are playing. What we need are feudalism and invention and some cash for archer upgrades. If you can afford to give us any or all of that - we would be eternally grateful. We have not yet approached the other teams on bended knee, but will soon as we hear back from you. MAST has also been sympathetic to our cause. The other option is for the civs on your continent to put aside their differences for a couple hundred years, and send a combined operation to our continent. I appreciate the cost and risk associated with that, which for now, is why we beg for help. Beta of Monkey.

	07-09-2004 05:05									#9
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Latin Lover's reply...

quote: Monkeys: MZ was in charge for diplomacy, but his other tasks avoid he from doing some deep talk with other teams here. Now I presume that me and my rusty english have to take the responsability First of all, we don't have feudalism yet. We will purchase it next turn from Sunshine. They haven't say anything about gifting to others, so I suppose we could gift it next turn. About invention, We have to find a seller too. if you have one, we don't have problems to pay and then give it to you for free. First to ask other civs about a joined attack, I want to know about your relationships with the rest of our continent. Have you sent this kind of message to them? Are they friendly to you? Does somebody want to help you actively? Does they use the same "excuse" as ours to not help you? (the neighbour menace) But consider that in order to engage we have a lot of things to do: i.e. now we have a single poor galley. And three barracks at Picadero I, II and III -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is my personal opinion, not the team one: I think that if just Tabemono agreed to make a joined attack with us to help you, we will attack. I will try to talk with them, but I would like to know their position about you first Survive! ----- Original Message -----

and my reply...

quote: Thank you for your reply. To be honest - we have not really talked much with the other civs on your continent. MAST has always been pretty friendly, and they have helped us out. Sunshine and us reached a deal awhile back - they have been sort of friendly. Not much contact with Tabemono. Some early discussion about map trading, but that's it. We will get 'off our butts' and talk to these civs. We will keep you informed of what happens. Thanks for the 'survive'. That is what we are trying to do. Beta.

	20-09-2004 05:58									#10
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From LL via e-mail:

quote: We stop talking and start thinking, Invention will be finished within eight turns, will send it to you then, with feudalism sent the turn before, to maximize your enemies surprise ;-) Have you talked with Tabemono? We need to know what they say to you in order to decide what we do with them cheers LL

	30-09-2004 02:45									#11
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Did we ever answer this one Beta???

	10-11-2004 03:41									#12
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sent to LL

quote: Greetings friends! It is very dark days over here. Most monkeys do not expect to survive beyond tomorrow. But we have stout hearts and sharp spears. It will be a bloddy battle. Thank-you for feudalism. Even with invention, I do not think we would have enough to win the battle this time. But still, it will be close. We have tried one last time to diplomatically break the Python-CoD alliance. It is a very long shot - and probably won't work. But with our help, Python would have a chance to quickly take out CoD. That makes more 'game' sense, but this a demo game, and the dynamics ARE different. If we do not survive, and there is a good chance of that, thank you for the support you could provide. CoD and Python do not know where we got our recent techs from. And I think you will need to be wary of the military machine on this continent. They will come looking for iron. We will keep you posted. And if you do get invention, we could use it. Thank you. Cheers ..Beta

	11-11-2004 04:13									#13
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From and to LL. Decent folks. Wish we had a chance to get to be allies with them.

quote: Thank you for your best wishes. One option we are considering is a slash and burn approach. We will likely abandon cities and sell everything we have. We di have an island retreat to go to, but we may exit the game entirely. If that is the case, we would like to send our remaining cash to you. that is if we have any. The best use of our cash now is archer upgrades and make them pay. Thank you for invention, We will use it as best as we can. We will keep you posted. Cheers....Beta. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel López Soria To: Bruce Hynes (Beta) Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Greetings from Monkey Dear Beta We are sorry to hear about that. Of course we will send Invention next turn, hope it helps something. We are talking in our forum and thinks that Monty and CoD has made an error attacking you with such virulence. Yes they will probably destroy the monkeys but they have spent too many resources on it instead of progress. And if they are successful don't earn too much land after all. I think you are right, such massive force needs to be used so if they are successful against you then they probably come for us the day after. But we are prepared for that kind of attack. Except if they join Tabemono in a combined attack. Probably that is the reason why Tabemono refuse to talk about your situation, and try to keep a silent hostility about us to keep our hands tied. Well, we need to fix that. Best wishes with your last stand

	24-11-2004 19:05									#14
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hey Beta

Did we ever respond back to this?

Have we heard anything from LL since we got invention.

Good analysis on the SoD construction. The Lumberjacks will pay more of course since the Cross dressers have already REXed out.

Lemme know OK?

Thanks con

	26-11-2004 06:33									#15
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no I haven't. I forgot. And we need to ask them to send invention again, but not next turn.

	26-11-2004 08:19									#16
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OK

	04-12-2004 08:49									#17
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sent with the save ...

quote: Greetings gentlemen. We do not mean to insult you by declining invention. But as we are now in a strategic retreat, some cities are rushing archers. accpeting invention would force them into building longbows, which would be problematic. Our days are numbered, but we are making them pay for every tile they get - and there will not be much left when they do get our land. All the monkeys will be gone into the forests - except for the rangers which will make a final stand somewhere. However - this will be a long drawn out affair. In th emeantime - if you would be so kind as to keep sending invention - and when it is appropriate to acept - we will. Many thanks - and the monkeys appreciate your friendship during these dark hours. ......Beta of Monkey

	17-12-2004 19:04									#19
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sent with the save.

quote: Greetings gentlemen. The dismantling continues. And a CoD galley was sunk this turn. A bit of payback. This is going to be a long-drawn out affair - and they are getting nothing out of it - other than bare land. We will be set up with two good sized cities on Monkey Island - off the west coast of the continent - so the Monkey Nation will survive - and we will always remember your friendship. Cheers. Beta of Monkey.

	17-12-2004 19:13									#20
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Have we heard anything back from them??

	20-12-2004 03:14									#21
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Have we heard anything back from them??

Last message back, as far as I can tell, was the good luck with your last stand note. But they continue to send invention every turn, so I know they have received my messages, and that they continue to support us.

	16-03-2005 07:55									#22
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sent with the save:

quote: We are now holed up for our final stand. The rest of our continental cities have been abandoned - and the infrastructure destroyed. I think we left them one or two roaded tiles. Monkey island is set to go, but we will stay in anarchy given that we are now down to 3 cities, and still a very large army. When we come out of anarchy we would like to switch to monarchy - which we do not have. Would this be available to a poor besieged Simian civilization? Farewells from Whalesong - a battle wsoon to be fought and which will no doubt go down in history as a dark day. ...Beta.

	21-03-2005 08:23									#23
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to LL with the save:

quote: The final showdown is coming soon. We have retreated as far south as we can - taking the two large stacks with us. It is a shame that the continental civs were not more united. I'm sure they could have walked in on CoD and Python with their main forces this far south. Monkey Island is set to go. We are still in anarchy to manage our large army with 3 cities left. It is hard to tell from the posts in the public forum how the war is going at your end. Would MAST not ally with you? Any chance of sending Monarchy - if you have it. That is the government we will need to use with our new set-up. We will need the military police. Cheers ...Beta of Monkey.

	11-05-2005 06:40									#24
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After my message o them with the save regarding our inability to pay anything for Montheism....

quote: Monotheism was for free!! its a garage sale ofer!!

	11-05-2005 18:26									#25
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Thank god we have at least one friend left

	11-05-2005 18:27									#26
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Unfortunately, they dont have an island to run to like us.

	27-06-2005 19:42									#27
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from LL

quote: yeap... we are in a extingtion process thats for sure... We can emigrate to our north island and resist there like you are doing, but we decided to resist en our capital till the last unit is murdered. Tabemono and Mast has 2 hugh stucks just outside MonteDeVenus but they do not atack... lucky for them because we will resist ... and at least make them lost many units.