25-05-2004 05:07									#1
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Should this be implemented?

Once a month, the populace puts up, a nomination thread for each position that would last four days, and then a poll for each position that would be the same as an election. The poll would last 72 hours. Once the polls are done, it would then be up to the Consuls to implement the will of the people. They would still have the option of not doing it.


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Once a month, the populace puts up, a nomination thread for one position that would last four days, and then a poll for that position, the poll would be the same as an election poll. The poll would last 72 hours. Once the poll is done, it would then be up to the Consuls to implement the will of the people. They would still have the option of not doing it.

	25-05-2004 05:44									#2
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I'm not entirely clear on what you mean with some of these proposals.

	25-05-2004 07:07									#3
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1. Let's say each month I put up nomination threads for each minister position, like a normal election. It would last four days. Then after the four days are up, I would make a poll for each position, like a normal election, that would last 72 hours. HOWEVER, it isn't an election, but what the Senate wants. The consuls don't have to do it, but it is going against the will of the people.

2. Let's say each month I put up a nomination thread for one minister position, like a normal election. It would last four days. Then after the four days are up, I would make a poll for that position, like a normal election, that would last 72 hours. HOWEVER, it isn't an election, but what the Senate wants. The consuls don't have to do it, but it is going against the will of the people. The minister positions would be up for the opinion polls in rotation, like the Consul system.

	25-05-2004 07:21									#4
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Option 2 works for me. This is a nice way to gage how the Senate feels the mininster in question is doing. It may also lead to us replacing idle mininsters.

However, I have no objections to either option.

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	25-05-2004 08:40									#5
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Abstain. Either works, though I suspect 1 will see a lot of 1-candidate brackets.

	25-05-2004 15:55									#6
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Do the Ministers stay in Office for more than a month?

Please dont tell me we are "electing" ministers every month.

If this is what we are doing then Im against this.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much possible turnover.

	25-05-2004 19:59									#7
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Do the Ministers stay in Office for more than a month? Please dont tell me we are "electing" ministers every month. If this is what we are doing then Im against this. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much possible turnover.

Option one is one month. Option two is three months.

	26-05-2004 01:57									#8
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	26-05-2004 03:26									#9
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What exactly happens if abstain wins?

	26-05-2004 03:28									#10
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er, would we have to go with the next highest one, since abstain=don't care?

	26-05-2004 03:35									#11
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I think it might have been better to leave out abstain

	26-05-2004 03:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master I think it might have been better to leave out abstain

Then you might have lost 5 "voters."

	26-05-2004 03:49									#13
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Why? They voted abstain anyways, which is essentially, "I don't care"

	26-05-2004 04:47									#14
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Three months is a good term, though it should be added that such a system would also be in place in the event of a sudden retirement/disappearence of a sitting minister, time permitting. In such a case, the new minister would serve out the old term.

It should also likely be noted that, in the event of a sudden disappearence, the consuls should reserve the right to make appointments without consulting the Senate, should an emergency warrant such fast action. Of course, the probability of that happening is slim.

	26-05-2004 04:55									#15
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Why vote at all if you vote for abstain?

	26-05-2004 05:51									#16
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Option two. NM, perhaps you should discuss the text for the options in the discussion thread, makes the cathegory Abstain a bit smaller. I think that explicitly adding the 1 month / 3 months to the texts would have helped a lot. Still you did a good job

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	26-05-2004 06:04									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun Option two. NM, perhaps you should discuss the text for the options in the discussion thread, makes the cathegory Abstain a bit smaller. I think that explicitly adding the 1 month / 3 months to the texts would have helped a lot. Still you did a good job Aidun

Would you recommend doing the poll over again?

	26-05-2004 08:52									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Why? They voted abstain anyways, which is essentially, "I don't care"

Hence the

I was simply trying to be humorous.

	26-05-2004 08:57									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Hence the I was simply trying to be humorous.

The post wasn't so much of a reply to you, but a pondering of "abstain" and/or "banana" voters

	26-05-2004 11:22									#20
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actually thought the ministry roles were rotated every 3 months in the same fashion that the Consul roles are

	26-05-2004 12:31									#21
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I can live with a three month term as long as like OCT_X said the consuls can appoint someone if a minister disappears.

I still prefer the current system, because a constant rotation of people just makes me nervous for long term continuity.

Although I do agree with Klo's sentiments that the possibility of that occuring is slim.

So I guess if we decide to do that, it will be OK with me (elections that is)

If absatin wins that means IMHO that not enough people care about this issue to take it any further.

At least thats my take on an "abstain" victory.

	26-05-2004 19:03									#22
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Quite often many abstain votes means that there are a number who disagree with all the options given. However, since the status quo is upheld with the option of "Neither of them", they are people who just don't care, I guess.

* MrWhereItsAt wishes everyone cared a little more

	26-05-2004 21:27									#23
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I can live with a three month term as long as like OCT_X said the consuls can appoint someone if a minister disappears. I still prefer the current system, because a constant rotation of people just makes me nervous for long term continuity. Although I do agree with Klo's sentiments that the possibility of that occuring is slim. So I guess if we decide to do that, it will be OK with me (elections that is) If absatin wins that means IMHO that not enough people care about this issue to take it any further. At least thats my take on an "abstain" victory.

What term would you be comfortable with?

	26-05-2004 21:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot actually thought the ministry roles were rotated every 3 months in the same fashion that the Consul roles are

But they aren't If you want them to be, vote for option two.

	27-05-2004 16:32									#25
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NM, I don't think it we need to poll again. The texts have been explained in this thread. If people can't read they also shouldn't vote.

Aidun

	27-05-2004 21:00									#26
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I think a minister should be replaced only when the need arrives. Actually all of us are trying to help to move the game forward. Why should we bother with more and more (useless) polls?

	28-05-2004 03:09									#27
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd I think a minister should be replaced only when the need arrives. Actually all of us are trying to help to move the game forward. Why should we bother with more and more (useless) polls?

What useless polls?

	28-05-2004 05:10									#28
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	28-05-2004 08:14									#29
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I received a PM from Nuclear Master regarding my absence from the forum lately. I acknowledge that I have not been active the last couple of weeks. RL is busy these days - and the limited Poly time I have had has been dedicated to the survival of the Simians - and my pbems. I have not been around much to fulfill my responsibilities as FAM.

My apologies to the consuls and the team. Whatever is best for the team is fine by me.

(Edited by Beta on 28-05-2004.)

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	28-05-2004 08:28									#30
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We all miss you Beta

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