25-05-2004 10:26									#1
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OK,

I just got conquests, installed, started a new game, and now, a short while after I'm 100% sure that that my two rival (known) civs have map making, and I have map making, I can't trade maps!! Not territory, or world maps!! Is this an isolated bug, or did they take out map trading??

-Thanks

	25-05-2004 10:43									#2
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they delayed trading maps to navigation thats all

	25-05-2004 10:44									#3
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phewww...thanks I thought I got a defective conquests or something...

	25-05-2004 10:51									#4
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Also: Contact trading is now delayed until Printing Press.

	25-05-2004 11:49									#5
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Yeah, that's a pitty.....
It used to be one of the few things I was about to trade in the early game on high levels

	25-05-2004 13:00									#6
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I don't like map trading being delayed. What was the reasoning behind that?

Mankind has had crude maps since, well... a long time ago .

How do you think the Mediterranean was so well navigated.

	25-05-2004 20:09									#7
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I like extending the “exploration period” and having a longer period of time that the world is largely unknown (particularly nice on the bigger maps) and communications are delayed. I hated having everything revealed so early and completely.

It’s not perfectly implemented though. The problem is the AI doesn’t explore seas half as aggressively as I do (and can’t use suicide curraghs /galleys) so I end up monopolizing contacts, geographic knowledge and trade for quite awhile.

It's a trade off.

	25-05-2004 23:19									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I don't like map trading being delayed. What was the reasoning behind that? Mankind has had crude maps since, well... a long time ago . How do you think the Mediterranean was so well navigated.

I agree with you and was on the side that made a similar argument at the time they implemented it during the beta.

As for the reasoning, however, I do see some value in it. The reasoning is that contact trading so early in the game allowed, from a GAMEPLAY standpoint, a lot of rather weird ahistorical stuff. If you played on an Earth map and the Japanese were trading techs with the French because the Chinese had traded Japanese contact to India, India to Babylon, Babylon to Greece and Greece to France, you begin to understand how it warps the early game.

Another major part of the reasoning was to give the expansionist trait some real power. With contact and map trading delayed until the middle of the Middle Ages, the expansionist civs with their scouts have more of an advantage mapping the board and making contact with civs early in the game.

	26-05-2004 01:05									#9
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Delayed map trading actually hurts the expansionist trait. Maps are basically useless to the AI, but they pay big bucks for them anyway. Expansionist map and contact trading used to be one of the easiest ways to catch up in tech on Deity in PTW.

	26-05-2004 01:46									#10
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It makes expansionist more valuable in MP anyway.

	26-05-2004 02:52									#11
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I have to say, I really like these new features! Its weird how you can discover the entire known world before you have monotheism...makes the game seem more authentic this way.

I also love the addition of marshes, oasis', sugar, tobacco & all these other great things. My current game with the sumerians is insanely fun.

	26-05-2004 06:21									#12
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Except for some bugs that were reintroduced in C3C (though no one knows why), I believe that most people will agree that Conquests really balances Civ3 and makes it 'whole', so to speak.

If it weren't for those bugs...and weakened AI/barbs...

	26-05-2004 06:36									#13
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very, very passive barbs. Afraid to lead their twenty horseman out of their camp to attack your sole warrior guarding the town.

	26-05-2004 09:09									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner very, very passive barbs. Afraid to lead their twenty horseman out of their camp to attack your sole warrior guarding the town.

Who says barbs can't try the builder strategy?

	26-05-2004 20:16									#15
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Get units on the NW-SE axis of the barbs, and they'll move ...

	26-05-2004 23:00									#16
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I had a spearman fortified next door to a 20 horseman barb camp for nearly 1000 years without response... the camp just kept growing

	27-05-2004 11:36									#17
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I guess it is better for gameplay.

I really have no complaints.

Although maybe I should play the earth map more often .

I find on the types of maps I play, I rarely get maps of the whole world that early.

	29-05-2004 21:11									#18
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quote: Originally posted by caXerxes OK, I just got conquests, installed, started a new game, and now, a short while after I'm 100% sure that that my two rival (known) civs have map making, and I have map making, I can't trade maps!! Not territory, or world maps!! Is this an isolated bug, or did they take out map trading?? -Thanks

Yes, something looks wrong.