26-05-2004 09:42									#1
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I am playing MOO I with Windows Me. I dowloaded the game and do not have a physical manual. This creates a couple of problems:

1. When asked to identify ships I have to guess. I deal with this by saving the game a lot. Is there a way to get the pictures of the ships on the internet?

2. I downloaded the manuel and a stategy guide too(from Jon Sullivan), and have saved them, but the quickest way to bring them up is keep them as a window in my internet prOOvider. To access this I have to quit the game. Is there a way access these windows without quitting MOO - that anyone knows?

Thanks very much. All help appreciated.

Last edited by Groc on 11-06-2004 at 09:28

	26-05-2004 20:49									#2
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1. See this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=36893
2. Hold down the Alt key, then press Tab. Keep holding down Alt and pressing Tab until you have the window you want selected.

	26-05-2004 23:16									#3
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Alt-Esc gets you to the desktop in ME or Win98. You can select any open task from the task bar or use the ALt-Tab as DaveV mentions to tab around all open windows.

I do it all the time on 98. XP you just use the windows key.

	26-05-2004 23:18									#4
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Here is the list :

Attachment: ships_1.gif
This has been downloaded 71 time(s).

	26-05-2004 23:20									#5
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Just save it to your HD. I have a MOO folder for stuff for all Moo games. It has been posted here at least a dozen times.

Have fun.

	27-05-2004 00:24									#6
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Thanks, DaveV and vmxa1 for your help. It solved both my problems. Apprciate it.

	31-05-2004 13:37									#7
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Not done yet. How do I save this file so that it can be retrieved. When I first downloaded it to a file I created for MOO stuff, I then copied it another file. After that the attachment from vmxa1 was gone. It was also gone from the message forum. I didn't have a clue what was happening.

Today when I went back to the message forum, the chart was there, but when I saved it I can never retreive it. i.e. I am given no options with what to open it, and when I just hit open, it shows the files that make up the message, but never shows the chart it self. One of the files is titled "Ships". I tried to open it with my exporer, but it only shows a litte box with a red circle in it.

My apology for being so ignorant about computers, but can anyone tell me how to download, and how to retried the chart that vmxa1 sent me as an attachment?

I was tantalizingly close to not having to guess the identiy of the ships, but was thwarted completely.

All help greatly appreciated.

	31-05-2004 19:37									#8
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I'll send you the chart (gif file) as an attachment. I'll use the file posted here by vmxa1. To open a gif, you only need to double click it.

If you have trouble opening it, just save it to disk and right click the file. A menu should appear with many options, one of which being 'Open with'. It is not an option in itself, but rather an additional nested context menu, in which you should choose Internet Explorer and you should be able to view the file.

If you have any questions, you can reply to my email which I'll send promptly.

	31-05-2004 22:20									#9
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If you want to save any page(s) from a web site, just use the save as function. It will put the non html part (pics) into a folder and the html as and html file.

The folder owns the html and they must stay in the same directory for it to work.

If all you want if the pic, save it. In this case it will be giffile as Ljube said. It can be open directly by double clicking or with the option tab. You will need a tool to view it with, but IE will work and many other tools that can handlegif/jpeg/ You could even convet it to jpeg.

	01-06-2004 01:56									#10
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Well, dah, I think I did everthing as you guys suggested. I tried them all three times. And still no picture opens from the hard drive. Thanks for the explaination about the non html folder and html file, that helps make sense. The html file did open, but the pics were not there. The non html file still stumps me, and that is where the pics are, right?

When I saved it to disc, same thing. I have the file and the folder. explorer opens the file as on the hard drive the pics were not included.

So, Im still stumped. Call me stumpy. I am using Windows Me, AMD 450, 256 Ram. Does my computer have anything to do with this. Apparently it works for you guys when you do what you told me to do. Why doesn't it work for me? Any more help, and patience available. I appreciate you taking the time to answer me. Any advise, reasoning why it doesn't work for me?

I saved it as, right clicked on the file, not the folder, and the message on the forum opens, but the pics are not there.

Thanks again.

	01-06-2004 03:17									#11
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I just saved it as to my desktop. I see the folder for poly and the html. If I doubel click on th efolder it gets opened by the windows explorer. I see many file and several pics.

If I double click on one (the guy fron DS9) it gets opened by the viewer. I could set it to details and see the gif stats.

Oh you are not using XP. This should still work as I have made may road maps via this method for games in Win98.

	01-06-2004 03:33									#12
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Ok I see something is secial from the forum. I used Dreamweaver and still could not the flags to show. Even when I changed the source.

The avatars did.

So try this, open the folder in explorer. Select the Views and choose details. You should see a number of file. One is called Ships_1.gif.

Right click on it and open with paint. This will show it for sure.

I will post a jpeg version here that should be easier to open.
I would goDL Iranfanview and use it to view all pictures, it is free and works in ME, 98 and XP.

	01-06-2004 03:34									#13
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here:

Attachment: ships_1.jpg
This has been downloaded 54 time(s).

	01-06-2004 14:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Groc Well, dah, I think I did everthing as you guys suggested. I tried them all three times. And still no picture opens from the hard drive. Thanks for the explaination about the non html folder and html file, that helps make sense. The html file did open, but the pics were not there. The non html file still stumps me, and that is where the pics are, right? When I saved it to disc, same thing. I have the file and the folder. explorer opens the file as on the hard drive the pics were not included. So, Im still stumped. Call me stumpy. I am using Windows Me, AMD 450, 256 Ram. Does my computer have anything to do with this. Apparently it works for you guys when you do what you told me to do. Why doesn't it work for me? Any more help, and patience available. I appreciate you taking the time to answer me. Any advise, reasoning why it doesn't work for me? I saved it as, right clicked on the file, not the folder, and the message on the forum opens, but the pics are not there. Thanks again.

Did you get my mail sent to *** containing an attachment (a gif file) and did you follow the procedure I explained in my earlier post?

	01-06-2004 20:59									#15
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Weel, guess what? It still didn't bring up the pics. I cannot open the folder with explorer. I am not given that option. Only option I am given with the folder is "open". So, I couldn't follow your advice, as much as I would have liked to. I appreciate your repeated efforts fo help me. Really. Any other suggestions.

I don't know why I am not give the option to open the folder in explorer. Is there a way to do this manually as it were. (Hey, I know nothing!)

Again, thanks.

	01-06-2004 23:26									#16
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The folder should be allow open with Windows Explorer, not IE. The html, should be open with IE or what ever broswer you use.

I don't currently have ME on my PC's (well I do have it dual booted on one), but I used Win98Se last week to play with these types of files.

I used windows explorer and copied and delete items, including pics. So are you saying you cannot double click the folder and have it open?

IIRC someof your post, I think you were able to open with windows explorer (calling it just explorer form now on).

Once that was done, could you the select views and pick details?
If so, do you see gif files and maybe some others?

If so what happened when you DB click one? Did it open with Paint?

Did you download Irfanview?

Last edited by vmxa1 on 02-06-2004 at 01:37

	02-06-2004 00:07									#17
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Hmm, Groc doesn't seem to be that skilled with computers like you and me vmxa1. So maybe we should concentrate on only one method, rather than explaining two things at the same time.

I have an idea. I can send him an email containing either gif or jpeg version of the image embedded in a word document, provided he has Microsoft Word. Then he's going to need only to doubleclick the file and the chart will appear.

The only info I need before I do this is if he has Microsoft Word (Office) installed or not. So Groc, please answer the question: Do you use Microsoft Word?

	02-06-2004 01:49									#18
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Well for sure one should be able to double click the folder and then double click the file named ships_1.gif and it will open with paint.

The two tools needed for this are part of ME. If you do not see the file in the folder, then be sure that all file extensions are displayed. With the view set to details, you can see the filename and type.

If it fails to open, then you do not have an application that can handle gif or it sould let you pick one to use. In Win9x you may need to set an affinity (called association).

If you have Irfanview, you can use file open and point to the folder and it will (hopefully) show all gif/jpegs and such in the folder and let you view it.

This app will have less overhead than paint or word. I have the ships memorized, so I never need it or my manuals.

Good luck, we can do this.

	02-06-2004 01:50									#19
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Ljube-ljcvetko did you change your name recently?

	02-06-2004 02:15									#20
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Yes, used to be ljcvetko, but wanted to change to Ljube, my real life nick and the name I'm known by in civ2 mp community. But then again, since I change avatars often, I didn't want to confuse people that knew me only by my former name at Poly (ljcvetko), so I decided to take a compromise solution

	05-06-2004 11:13									#21
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Hello Again,

Have been just playing the game instead of trying to resolve my saving to hard drive problem. My apology for keeping you waiting. Vxma1, I did as you suggested. I got to the folder via detail, there were no gif files. There were a couple of files called ships but ther were lbx files. Paint would not open them.

Ljube-ljcvetko. no, sorry, I don't have word. When I tried to open the ships.gif file (in the folder) I ge the promopt," This is not a vialid bitmap file, or it's format is not currently supported. I downloaded irfanView. When I opened and pointed to the ship_gif file, irfanView said, " ships?1.gif is an ART file with incorrect extension. And that irfanView could not open ART files." It also called it an "unknow file."

The good news is that I printed the page, and so gat a copy of the the pics that I can use! This relieves my need to have the pics, but like you, would like to solve this puzzle as to how to read it on my hard drive.

So, the new information is: When I open open the folder with windows explorer: l. go to View/Details/Paint, it shows itself as an lbx file. 2. if I db click on it and try to open it with irfanView, irfanView tells me it is an ART file with incorrect extension.

Does this mean that my computer has done something unique when it saved the forum message?

Actually, I went to the library to print the page. I don't have a printer. It offered me a gif file right on the forum message. I clicked on it an printed it. No problem.

However, my computer treats it differently. Again. I thank you, very much for all you help. It IS very much appreciated.

Any new revelations, inspirtations?

	05-06-2004 11:52									#22
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lbx is a special format use my Steve (author of the game) and it will not be recoqnized by any stand viewer.

If you highlight the pix posted above by me, right click it and you will see an option "save as". Select this and fill in the name as you please. You can use the default of bitmap or use the drop down menu to select jpeg.

If should save it to where ever you directed it (desktop is good).

Once it is on the desktop, right click it and see what is says under properties. If it is bmp or jpeg, you can double click it and it will open in the aplication that is associated with the file type.

You can also just open Irfanview and then file and point to the file on the desktop.

	10-06-2004 09:48									#23
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Ta Dah!!! Wow!!! Whoopie!!! It works!!!!. Thanks vmxa1. Both ways that your last message said to do , worked. But, only for the image that you e-mailed me. It still wouldn't work for the image that was on the forum. But, who cares about that!!!. Why that doesn't work is a question for those that know more about computers than I do. Acturally your methods only worked on desktop. Could not get the file to open where I saved it in program files. Now I have the issue of always seeing the file on the desk top Looks like if I keep a copy of the forum page with the image on it I can save that to desktop whenever I want to play MOO. Come to think of it, to clarify, saved the attachment, the second one, the enlarged one, to desktop and that was the one that worked. I don't recall is I got an attachment through the email link. If I did I don't have it any more. But, like I said, I can save the second attachment to desktop, and it works fine, with either method you said. So.....

That's about it then. I very much appreciate you persistamce in seeing me to the end of this. Thanks, thank you, and thanks again. Be seein you.

Groc

	10-06-2004 11:16									#24
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Cool.

You should be able to copy it to any place you want and then open it. If that works, you can delete the one on the desktop.

My guess is that the one I sent you last was a jpeg and you have an app that can open it.

	11-06-2004 00:03									#25
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vmxa1, you were right. The file saved on desktop was a jpeg, and the first one was a gif. When I copied the jpeg to my MOO folder, it worked fine. (For some reason when I saved the jpeg directly to the MOO file it got turned into a gif file and would't open.)

Now, I can create a short cut to use when I play game. It works fine now.

Again, thanks. Again, I appreciated your help.

Groc

P.S. Now that you have solved the problem for me, I will be removing my thread from the forum, once I find out how to do that, so my email address isn't out there for every Tom, Dick, and Harry dude to see.

P.P.S. Thanks, again.

	11-06-2004 00:23									#26
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Groc, just edit out your email address.

No need to remove the thread.

	11-06-2004 03:09									#27
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It is best to use some obscure method for you email address such as accountname [at] address [net].

This will slow down the scripts looking for addresses.

	11-06-2004 09:31									#28
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Thanks Ljube-ljcvetke, That will work. ( ...and thanks for your earlier help too.)