27-05-2004 16:30									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Pax 3. Do not ask any girl to dance prior to 1130. You have to ask at least 10 girls to dance. They have to be strangers. It's best to ask girls that are looking at you already. Introduce yourself before you ask them. Lean in so they can smell your cologne. Basically, put some cologne around your ear. Speak to them in their ear. Offer them your hand or touch them on the back in a friendly nonthreatening yet familiar manner. At leat 3 out of 10 women will be willing to dance(usually). When you are dancing try to make eye contact to gage interest. If there is eye contact, make a compliment to them and a joke. They should have smiled at least twice by then. It's your choice what to do in the interim. Too close the deal. Tell them that the club is too noisy too really talk and you want too get to know them better. Phone number time. This works. Make sure that you always approach strangers. Also remember that there are girls in the club that want you to approach them. You just have too find them.

That's just downright creepy.

	27-05-2004 16:45									#32
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	27-05-2004 17:00									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh That's just downright creepy.

How is it creepy? It's just approaching women with a strategy for success. it's not stalking. It's more like the opposite of stalking because if the woman is uninterested you move on quickly.
Remeber to smile when you speak. That shows confidence or warmth.

	27-05-2004 17:05									#34
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It sounds like good practical stuff to me, Rogan J.

I have not come across the idea of seeking an exchange of phone numbers because you did not have a chance to talk to someone and it sounds like a winner.

If I still went to clubs I'd be giving it a try, anyway.

The "It's too noisy to talk in here" line is also excellent.

And if she gives you her number she is going to say yes when you ask her out.

	27-05-2004 17:33									#35
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"Sorry, it's too noisy to WHAT in here?"

	27-05-2004 17:53									#36
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So what if you aren't "good looking"... not all women are good looking either. Don't aim too high if you have confidence problems. The plainer looking girls are probably feeling as lonely as you are as they watch their beautiful friends get all the guys... they will appreciate the attention.

You might be surprised at how great some of the plainer looking girls can be... looks aren't everything.

	27-05-2004 17:57									#37
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They'll all kick you in the balls and leave you one day though. Plain or pretty.

And they'll take the cat.

-Jam

	27-05-2004 18:06									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Ming So what if you aren't "good looking"... not all women are good looking either. Don't aim too high if you have confidence problems. The plainer looking girls are probably feeling as lonely as you are as they watch their beautiful friends get all the guys... they will appreciate the attention. You might be surprised at how great some of the plainer looking girls can be... looks aren't everything.

This is the order I use.
1. Women that look interested in me
2. When that I am interested in.
3. Women that are acceptable to my physical standards.
I find that the ugliest girls will reject me faster than the prettiest girls. So why bother settling.

The other thing is what's this about getting shot. there are lots of nice places to live in Philly. Try historiclandmarks.com. Women like a cool apartment vs an apartment in the gutter. Think romantic setting when choosing location. If you want to stay around blacks then I recommend a mixed neighborhood with a variety of people. Like a greenwich village/little five points eccentric community.

	27-05-2004 19:21									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ming So what if you aren't "good looking"... not all women are good looking either.

But why would you want to **** them if they aren't good looking?

	27-05-2004 19:47									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh But why would you want to **** them if they aren't good looking?

I didn't say ugly
There are many average and slghtly above average looking woman out there. Many people ignore them as they try to go after their dream lady... you know, the ones that get their pick of who they want.

And the odds are, it won't be an average type of guy. Many guys and women fail because they set their goals too high... based solely on looks. And as anybody can tell you, looks is only part of the deal.

Granted, if a person's looks turn you off, I wouldn't recommend trying to start a relationship... But I will say, even an average looking girl could become much better in your mind if you hit it off and truely like each other.

	27-05-2004 19:58									#41
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I used to use the what i liked to call the " Hot or Not" method. Guess we're all familiar with the site and it's basic premises. Find out what rating you are, and go through a bunch of the female pictures to determine what the general perception of attractiveness is. Then aim for someone your rating or slightly lower and it'll probably work.

But really i don't think this your problem as much as a self image problem. If you don't believe in yourself, why would anyone else? Be a bit more cocky, if it helps give yourself little pep talks in your head just building yourself up. In a way women are like dogs in that they smell fear. It's probably an evolutionary thing...

	27-05-2004 20:27									#42
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i forgot speer has the personality of a rock. work on the holmes. start drinking cold malt beverages like mickey's

	27-05-2004 20:29									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker yeah but that was just last year

try 4 years douche

	27-05-2004 20:37									#44
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What's with all the me threads lately! Maybe if you (Speers) changed your online name

quote: i dont understand why i was created with this face that repulses women...

As Ming said, not all women are into looks (and he should know ), besides superficial woman are high maintenance and are usually not worth it. If it's right, it's right.

quote: this speech that bothers women...

Living where you live I can imagine how that can happen.

quote: this soul that disgusts women...

Living where you live I can imagine how that can happen.

quote: and yet i was created with a heart constantly yearning for love.

Don't worry, it'll come.

quote: and why is it that every day i live in fear that tonight, I will be laying on the concrete in a puddle of my blood, some bullet-torn part of my body burning because some one wanted my wallet? I will die on some street without a woman saying those sweet words that every ounce of my being years for, "I love you, Ramsey". Every day I am scared to die before i feel love.

Don't worry, life ain't that kind. It will first give you love, then rip from you, then kick you around for a while until are all you are left with are memories of how it use to be, a bottle of cheap gin, and a pet rat named bobo whose abode you are invading because the woman took the house, the kids, the IRA, and has you stuck paying an alimony which is 3x what you earn... That's how life works.

	27-05-2004 20:43									#45
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no offense, but are you sober? i've not seen you this down in a good long while...

	27-05-2004 20:45									#46
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Why would a woman take the IRA?

	27-05-2004 20:51									#47
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Women take everything they can get... god knows they can't earn it the way men do

	27-05-2004 20:53									#48
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Maybe if you weren't posting here asking what to do with a girl for 2-3 hours, you might have more luck.

	27-05-2004 20:53									#49
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You mean we can't earn it the way they do

	27-05-2004 20:56									#50
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girls are stupid, throw rocks at them!

	27-05-2004 20:57									#51
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I am not so sure that beautiful women get to pick and choose in quite the way suggested. Beauty can be intimidating and I suspect some beautiful women are rather lonely. I have certainly noticed that there are a disproportionate number of such women married to men who have two qualities - they look like toads and they have compensated by developing an overweaning confidence. Now maybe all these guys are about to turn into princes, or maybe there is some other reason beautiful women like toads but what I actually think is that the toad-like but very confidant guys are almost the only ones who approached the lovely women. The rest of us just assumed they were not for the likes of humble us.

It may also be worth saying that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. The first girl friend I had at university I thought was very pretty. One or two friends agreed but a number of others thought she was positively plain.

So I say don't be put off by beauty. In a way you owe it to your fellow men to pay proper homage by at least asking a beautiful girl out. And if she is disdainful, well that should be easy to bear. A beutiful woman can do no wrong.

Lastly I will say this - the things that catch your eye when you first meet are somehow never the things that come to endear a woman to you if a relationship develops. I first noticed my wife's laugh, and I guess I always liked that. But after 11 years together, and for many of those years, it was her complexion which I thought a marvel.

If you go off someone I notice it is then sometimes exactly those things which did first catch your attention which come to grate upon you.

	27-05-2004 20:57									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski They'll all kick you in the balls and leave you one day though. Plain or pretty. And they'll take the cat. -Jam

My friend went through a huge battle over the cat when he broke up with his fiancee of several years. It was very sad, that break up. Both have since married, and both have kids, and the kids are more adorable than the cat was.

IE, Life goes on. (though if this is not the time to hear that, Im sorry)

	27-05-2004 21:02									#53
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Judges should do the King Solomon thing where cats/ babies are concerned.

	27-05-2004 21:09									#54
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Back to Albert.
Are you okay?
I'm sure if you follow most of the advice given you'll be okay.
Remember it's always darkest before the dawn and don't fire to you see the whites of their i's
Seriously, either be confidant or act confidant.
Don't let a slump keep you out of the game.
The only way to win is to play.
Most of us know exactly what you're going through so don't feel like you're alone.

	27-05-2004 21:34									#55
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He's, what, 19y/o?

I'm 34, and I remember quite unfondly of being 19, starting my Freshman year at Eastern Mich., and feeling like a complete dork incapable of being with anyone (and desperately alone because of it).

The best thing I did was simply to LET GO. When I learn to simply let go and enjoy life moment by moment with myself and friends, regardless of my bleak romantic prospects, there were women aplenty.

You're obviously quite intelligent and probably more attractive than you think. Enjoy the life you have, with all its quirks and challenges. It WILL get better. There is almost a natural law that suffering does not, and cannot, last forever . Anyway, that's my advice.

	27-05-2004 21:51									#56
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To you Pax it is creepy. It reminds me a bit of a slimy car salesman trying to as you put it "close the deal". Newsflash....while you might be getting the women in the club, trust me they all know what your doing and what your up to and believe me. And they do talk about you when you've moved on to your next conquest Guys that do that are a dime a dozen. And it's a very old rotuine as well as you come across as to well rehearsed. That's why it's creepy. To know that someone doesn't have enough confidence to initiate personal conversation without it sounding rehearsed.

Albieeeeee ~ Above all be yourself. Not the gansta rap crap, not the hard shell on the ouside, but yourself. Be Ramsey not Albert. It isn't important to impress them with your knowledge or intellect. What is important and will always...always impress a woman is your heart. If you are speaking to a woman your interested in as stated before find out what she is interested in. Nothing shows more interest to a woman then someone who cares about what she likes or cares about. But get through all the bull crap and the psudo physco crap and just talk normal. Not the stuff you spout here and on IM. And I'm not trying to come across mean but I've talked to you when you are talking normal and your really cool and you are sweet and nice and smart.

Everyone wants and needs to be loved. It will happen for you trust me. I does happen to everyone, but you have to have to have to have to be yourself!!! Not this image you've created. Can't remember where the quote is from but "above all be true to yourself." Trust me as I said before to Pax above.....women see through the fakness and can tell when they are being played. Be yourself, take it slow and show interest in the things she likes and you will be just fine. You know where to find me if you need to talk.

	27-05-2004 22:11									#57
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quote: And the odds are, it won't be an average type of guy. Many guys and women fail because they set their goals too high... based solely on looks. And as anybody can tell you, looks is only part of the deal. Granted, if a person's looks turn you off, I wouldn't recommend trying to start a relationship... But I will say, even an average looking girl could become much better in your mind if you hit it off and truely like each other.

Ming is totally right in this. I used to be the type that would only go after the pretty boys but they wind up being to high maintence. As well as they really weren't concerned with my interest and as I have said so many times on this forum beauty fades but ugly is forever. When you are sitting on your front porch with the person you've chosen and hair is gone, boobs are saging, teeth are gone and you can't get it up anymore without viagra.....you'd better be able to talk to them and enjoy their intellect and your common interest because beauty does fade.

The man I wound up marrying was my best friend for years and we have alot in common but it took 13 years for him to pull his head out of his a$$ and realize what a wonderful woman I was. And he has a bit of a belly, hair is going and he's getting those awful hairy ears but he's mine and I love him and I know that when I'm sitting on my front porch in years to come he will be there with me and we can talk and enjoy it. And I won't have to worry about my looks nor his.

	27-05-2004 22:12									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Tiamat You know where to find me if you need to talk.

Yes we all do . . . . .


in Texas.

	27-05-2004 22:13									#59
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No silly he has me on his aol IM. But yes, Texas just yell and I'll come running.

	27-05-2004 22:14									#60
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue But really i don't think this your problem as much as a self image problem. If you don't believe in yourself, why would anyone else?

Spot on