28-05-2004 00:42									#1
	MGL Amendment to the rule set. Increase Your PM Length

As posted at the UN on May 25:

quote: quote: The proposed MGL Ammendment has been discussed and is now available for voting. Team Captains, please poll this proposal with your team and cast your vote accordingly. The ammendment will read as follows: quote: 1.9 - Improper Use of Military Great Leaders Description: No team may use a Military Great Leader to rush a Great Wonder. Purpose: To prevent Military Great Leaders from being used in a manner inconsistent with their original purpose at the beginning of the game. Punishment Level: Red (Forfeiture of Wonder + Loss of or Anarchy for 1-5 Turns) The Votes:(so far) APO - Apolyton - BAT - Batrachos - C3B - Civ3Brasil - CDG - Creative Design Group - CDZ - Civ3 Duel Zone - CFC - Civilization Fanatics Center - CGN - Civilization Gaming Network - GCA - The Gamecatcher Alliance - GWT - German Webring Team - PAL - People's Army of the Ladder - Note: This vote will remain open for a minimum of 5 days. Any team failing to cast a vote will be voted by proxy in the affirmative.

	28-05-2004 00:45									#2
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I'm not sure if it's a bug "now" or a bug "before" in the Civlopedia. I'm of the opinion that a MGL should be able to be used in anyway to build any improvement, GW or not.

Does anyone have any supporting information that Firaxis may have provided to show what their clear intent was with this issue?

	28-05-2004 00:57									#3
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why do you think that the SGL was designed?

That is the proof that MGLs are not supposed to rush GWs

	28-05-2004 01:02									#4
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Not neccessarily. One could say that SGL's were put in to give a boost to those Civs with a Scientific, Industrious or Commercial trait to bring them even with those with the Militaristic trait since those with that trait will likely have more chances at getting a MGL.

	28-05-2004 02:05									#5
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quote: To prevent Military Great Leaders from being used in a manner inconsistent with their original purpose at the beginning of the game.

:???:

At the beginning of the game they rushed great wonders. It wasn't until later in the development of Civ3 (two years after it came out?) that they took that feature out and then (IIRC) gave them limited rush abilities. The designers were trying to make armies more common and trying to give some benefit to SGLs which were an entirely new idea to try to make Scientific Civs better.

Anyhow, I'm not all that fond of this rule. We may as well vote against it, but we'll be overruled in the end by the other teams who don't really seem to care much about these sorts of issues.

--Togas

	28-05-2004 09:36									#6
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Yes. Regardless of opinion on the change to MGLs, the fact is, they were changed; the few MGLs that can rush GWs that have been reported are bugs. If one should appear in our game, the owning team will have an unfair advantage unless all MGLs in the game are affected. And even then, it is, again, a bug.

	28-05-2004 16:29									#7
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I second Kloreep's comments. We are ruling on a bug here - not a game design change - regardless of how we feel about the recent design change.

	28-05-2004 23:57									#8
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Guys this vote is due before midnight Central Daylight Savings Time USA. TODAY! Friday the 28th.

Can someone go to the UN and vote? Ill probably be running and gunning when its due and I cant guarentee Ill be able to post before work for me tomorrow.

Here is the thread. Just post there that you are voting for me since Im on a trip to Europe.

http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/c...opic.php?t=7062

	29-05-2004 11:10									#9
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Posted our approval. A bit late, but better than never.

	29-05-2004 16:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Posted our approval. A bit late, but better than never.

Thanks